The nearly perfect predator is discussed on this weeks show, as well as taking a walk down nostalgia street and reminisce about Nickelodeon shows from our youth.
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[0:00:21 – 0:00:27] Erik: Welcome to Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast.
[0:00:28 – 0:00:29] Erik: My name is Eric.
[0:00:29 – 0:00:32] Erik: You may have noticed Adam wasn’t on the last podcast.
[0:00:32 – 0:00:35] Erik: He has been replaced by my new co-hosts.
[0:00:36 – 0:00:37] Erik: Mr.
[0:00:37 – 0:00:38] Erik: Dusty Gooch.
[0:00:38 – 0:00:39] Erik: Hello, Dusty.
[0:00:39 – 0:00:40] Adam: Hey, Eric.
[0:00:40 – 0:00:42] Adam: Welcome, and thanks for having me here in Studio K2.
[0:00:42 – 0:00:44] Adam: This is Dusty Gooch.
[0:00:45 – 0:00:45] Adam: In the house.
[0:00:47 – 0:01:11] Adam: love lake tahoe it’s great yeah it’s a boundary waters podcast i thought this was a tahoe podcast what’s going on here guy tahoe podcast it’s a tahoe cast this is dusty gooch coming to you live from studio k the outdoor calendar fact of the day is i forgot the calendar and this is episode 0134 of tumble home welcome
[0:01:13 – 0:01:14] Erik: Welcome one and all.
[0:01:15 – 0:01:19] Erik: We are sponsored as always by our fine, fine friends on Patreon.
[0:01:19 – 0:01:20] Erik: Thank you, patrons.
[0:01:21 – 0:01:22] Erik: Stay tuned.
[0:01:23 – 0:01:24] Erik: A river runs through it.
[0:01:25 – 0:01:26] Erik: Coming soon.
[0:01:28 – 0:01:39] Erik: Also sponsored this week by, I think, shockingly enough, the first time we’ve been sponsored…
[0:01:40 – 0:01:42] Erik: By Leinenkugels.
[0:01:42 – 0:01:43] Erik: Leinenkugels.
[0:01:44 – 0:01:45] Erik: Wisconsin classic.
[0:01:45 – 0:01:47] Adam: Everybody knows it’s the luckiest beer for ice fishing.
[0:01:48 – 0:01:48] Adam: Yeah.
[0:01:51 – 0:01:54] Adam: Buddy Dean always drank the Leinenkugels while we were out tip-up fishing.
[0:01:55 – 0:01:55] Adam: Cheers.
[0:01:56 – 0:01:57] Adam: He always caught pike.
[0:01:57 – 0:01:57] Erik: Dusty.
[0:01:58 – 0:01:58] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:02:01 – 0:02:05] Erik: These are from Mandy, Dane, and Eva.
[0:02:05 – 0:02:05] Erik: Eva?
[0:02:08 – 0:02:09] Erik: Sweet note.
[0:02:10 – 0:02:12] Adam: That’s a nice card they sent with it.
[0:02:12 – 0:02:16] Erik: Written right on the case of 12 lineys that they provided.
[0:02:16 – 0:02:17] Erik: Thanks, guys.
[0:02:17 – 0:02:18] Adam: That’s pretty sweet.
[0:02:18 – 0:02:20] Erik: Pretty sweet deal.
[0:02:21 – 0:02:27] Erik: You know, Stan Grossman, you may remember Mandy and Dane and Eva.
[0:02:27 – 0:02:33] Erik: They are the ones that provided us with the Blackbeard story and the portage etiquette.
[0:02:34 – 0:02:34] Erik: Yes.
[0:02:34 – 0:02:35] Erik: Nazi.
[0:02:36 – 0:02:37] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:02:39 – 0:02:42] Erik: We’re also sponsored by shots of tequila.
[0:02:43 – 0:02:44] Erik: Stan tequila.
[0:02:44 – 0:02:48] Erik: Because of this week’s topic, which we’re going to get right into.
[0:02:48 – 0:02:52] Erik: If you want the meat, it’s coming right now.
[0:02:52 – 0:02:56] Adam: We’re skipping all the formalities and…
[0:02:59 – 0:03:00] Adam: All the small talk.
[0:03:00 – 0:03:01] Adam: We’re getting right to the meat.
[0:03:03 – 0:03:09] Adam: Turns out the guy who was supposed to make the poutine, you know, he skipped out of town.
[0:03:09 – 0:03:14] Adam: And so we’re going right to the main course here with a good friend, Stan Tequila.
[0:03:15 – 0:03:16] Adam: And real tequila.
[0:03:17 – 0:03:18] Adam: Eric’s like, I got a little bit of tequila.
[0:03:19 – 0:03:19] Adam: Maybe.
[0:03:19 – 0:03:21] Adam: I was like, you got some tequila?
[0:03:21 – 0:03:22] Adam: I got a little bit.
[0:03:22 – 0:03:23] Adam: He pulls out a whole bottle of Hornitos.
[0:03:24 – 0:03:24] Adam: Yeah.
[0:03:24 – 0:03:25] Adam: Thank you.
[0:03:31 – 0:03:50] Adam: that’s smooth that’s the perfect compliment to a liney’s oh yeah i would agree with that one time i was out ice fishing with a liney’s oh and i caught a 38 inch pike in a windstorm with brother andrew and tirader remember that guy i do where was that
[0:03:51 – 0:03:51] Adam: Oh, on Lake Buckaway.
[0:03:52 – 0:03:53] Erik: Nice.
[0:03:53 – 0:03:56] Adam: Home of the state record pike for Wisconsin.
[0:03:56 – 0:03:56] Adam: Is it?
[0:03:56 – 0:03:57] Adam: There’s a fun fact for you.
[0:03:58 – 0:03:58] Erik: Wow.
[0:03:59 – 0:03:59] Adam: Well.
[0:03:59 – 0:04:00] Adam: Thing weighed 580 pounds caught in 1922.
[0:04:00 – 0:04:00] Adam: 580.
[0:04:00 – 0:04:01] Adam: That was a big Bissach Luscious.
[0:04:07 – 0:04:11] Erik: Yes, stay tuned for the appetizer at the end.
[0:04:11 – 0:04:12] Erik: We’re reversing things.
[0:04:13 – 0:04:28] Erik: We’re starting with the meat, and that meat has come to us in the form of a winter rabbit hole that has just continued on cooking since we learned all about lagomorphs.
[0:04:29 – 0:04:30] Erik: Crittercast.
[0:04:30 – 0:04:31] Erik: Crittercast.
[0:04:32 – 0:04:33] Erik: Part two.
[0:04:34 – 0:04:34] Erik: Woo-hoo-hoo.
[0:04:35 – 0:04:38] Erik: Who knows how far we’re going to let CritterCast get a hold of us.
[0:04:40 – 0:04:43] Adam: Every winter we just become CritterCast for a good month.
[0:04:43 – 0:04:44] Erik: It’s fun.
[0:04:44 – 0:04:46] Adam: It’s after Bear Grylls season.
[0:04:46 – 0:04:47] Adam: It’s usually Critter season.
[0:04:47 – 0:04:47] Adam: Yeah.
[0:04:47 – 0:04:52] Adam: And then that’s before the March Madness.
[0:04:52 – 0:04:56] Erik: The Tumble Tourney, which is a month of no information, just all fun and games.
[0:04:57 – 0:04:59] Adam: It’s okay to have fun and games.
[0:05:00 – 0:05:00] Erik: It is.
[0:05:00 – 0:05:01] Erik: I mean, it’s our podcast.
[0:05:01 – 0:05:02] Erik: We can do whatever we want.
[0:05:04 – 0:05:04] Adam: At the end of the day.
[0:05:04 – 0:05:05] Adam: That’s a rock fact.
[0:05:06 – 0:05:07] Erik: That’s a rock fact.
[0:05:07 – 0:05:20] Erik: Yeah, your conversation, our conversation on the lagomorph family last week, during that, piqued my interest in owls.
[0:05:20 – 0:05:22] Adam: Yeah, did you figure out how the eggs work?
[0:05:23 – 0:05:24] Erik: I think I kind of did.
[0:05:24 – 0:05:26] Erik: Let’s start there, maybe.
[0:05:26 – 0:05:32] Erik: Well, I have the notes, the way that they’re laid out, we’ll get to it.
[0:05:32 – 0:05:35] Erik: I don’t want to lead with the hot…
[0:05:35 – 0:05:37] Adam: I’m on the edge of my perch.
[0:05:38 – 0:05:40] Erik: I don’t want to lead with the cloacal kiss.
[0:05:40 – 0:05:46] Erik: I might have to mark this one explicit.
[0:05:49 – 0:05:50] Erik: Tell me more.
[0:05:50 – 0:05:51] Erik: All right, we’ll get there.
[0:05:51 – 0:05:53] Erik: That’s your teaser, friends.
[0:05:53 – 0:05:57] Erik: So yeah, we’re talking owls, and let’s get into it.
[0:05:58 – 0:06:03] Erik: There are over 9,000 species of birds in the world, and only 215 of them are owls.
[0:06:04 – 0:06:06] Erik: That’s 3%, my friend.
[0:06:07 – 0:06:12] Erik: They are in the scientific group known as strigiformes.
[0:06:13 – 0:06:15] Erik: Strigaforms v. Legomorphs.
[0:06:16 – 0:06:20] Erik: If you’re on the subreddit, you saw the metal picture that I posted that was in the book.
[0:06:21 – 0:06:29] Erik: Before we get too much farther in, I should say the main source, I did a lot of just kind of random bouncing around on the internet.
[0:06:30 – 0:06:37] Erik: But I did find a nice little fun book that has a lot of amazing photography and just great little bite-sized bits of information.
[0:06:38 – 0:06:40] Erik: And that book is called Intriguing Owls.
[0:06:40 – 0:06:41] Erik: Intriguing Owls.
[0:06:42 – 0:06:44] Erik: Exceptional Images and Insights.
[0:06:44 – 0:06:45] Erik: And that’s by Stan Tequila.
[0:06:45 – 0:06:46] Adam: Tequila!
[0:06:47 – 0:06:50] Adam: I swear, Stan Tequila’s done a bunch of nature writing.
[0:06:50 – 0:06:52] Erik: Yeah, he has.
[0:06:53 – 0:06:54] Erik: He’s a good photographer.
[0:06:54 – 0:06:54] Erik: He’s an icon.
[0:06:55 – 0:06:56] Erik: And a nice little writer.
[0:06:57 – 0:07:02] Erik: So yeah, we’re working in the Strigiform world this week.
[0:07:03 – 0:07:06] Erik: So there’s 19 species of owls that live in the U.S. and Canada.
[0:07:06 – 0:07:32] Erik: uh with the great horned being the most common 12 of these species call minnesota home okay at some point over the course of the year um the bwca in general i wish i would have done the lagomorphs this way oh well i mean break it down we all we we world to uh nation to to state well we we critter cast in our own ways
[0:07:32 – 0:07:34] Adam: We do.
[0:07:34 – 0:07:35] Adam: I’m taking notes, though, here.
[0:07:35 – 0:07:37] Adam: Maybe it’ll influence future CritterCast.
[0:07:38 – 0:07:38] Erik: Sure.
[0:07:38 – 0:07:42] Erik: So, yeah, in our parts, there aren’t all 12.
[0:07:43 – 0:07:49] Erik: Your barn owls, screech owls, and burrowing owls, they’re more down in the fields.
[0:07:50 – 0:08:02] Erik: But in the BWCA in general and along the Canadian border, you find your sawets, your northern hawk, your boreal, short and long-eared, great gray, snowy, barred, and great horned.
[0:08:03 – 0:08:06] Erik: And the great horned is the most common in general.
[0:08:06 – 0:08:07] Erik: Wow.
[0:08:07 – 0:08:11] Erik: And every state in the United States has at least two species of owls.
[0:08:12 – 0:08:14] Erik: So you should feel fortunate as a Minnesotan that we have 12.
[0:08:16 – 0:08:19] Adam: And all of those are up here except for the burrowing?
[0:08:21 – 0:08:23] Erik: So there’s 12 in Minnesota.
[0:08:23 – 0:08:33] Erik: The three that are not in the Boundary Waters are, I think it’s the eastern screech owl, for sure the barn owl, and the burrowing owl.
[0:08:33 – 0:08:35] Adam: That burrowing owl is nasty, though.
[0:08:36 – 0:08:37] Adam: We don’t need that one up here.
[0:08:38 – 0:08:40] Adam: What are you going to burrow into the crate on?
[0:08:40 – 0:08:41] Adam: I don’t think so.
[0:08:41 – 0:08:41] Erik: No.
[0:08:42 – 0:08:44] Erik: And the northern hawk.
[0:08:44 – 0:08:46] Adam: It’s like pretty much a prairie dog of an owl.
[0:08:46 – 0:08:47] Adam: Prairie dog of an owl?
[0:08:48 – 0:08:49] Adam: Yeah.
[0:08:51 – 0:08:53] Adam: Owls belong in the sky, not in a burrow.
[0:08:53 – 0:09:21] Erik: while uh snowy owls are ground nesters that’s nasty that’s nasty nasty northern hawk and boreal owls are they’re barely like they just there’s their range is like barely on the edge of even being in minnesota at all so it’s almost like you can’t hear them flying through the range oh just a whisper we’ll get to their silent flight too here yeah stealth feather technology
[0:09:21 – 0:09:27] Erik: Yeah, I mean, I always… You always just kind of think because they’re cool looking.
[0:09:27 – 0:09:29] Erik: You’re like, I think I like owls.
[0:09:29 – 0:09:37] Erik: But after doing just like the tiniest amount of research into them, I’m like, owls are pretty cool, pretty amazing.
[0:09:37 – 0:09:47] Erik: They’re like the end result of so many different forms of like predatory evolution where they’re like at the peak of so many things.
[0:09:47 – 0:09:48] Erik: They’ve got so many…
[0:09:49 – 0:09:53] Erik: Like the arsenal that they have at their disposal is kind of crazy.
[0:09:54 – 0:09:57] Erik: It’s amazing that there’s even like rodents or rabbits around.
[0:09:58 – 0:10:02] Erik: Um, so depending on the size of the owl, their lifespan will range from 10 to 25 years.
[0:10:02 – 0:10:02] Erik: Um,
[0:10:07 – 0:10:15] Erik: Eyesight is probably their most well-honed and important trait.
[0:10:17 – 0:10:21] Erik: On average, their eyeballs make up 5% of their body weight.
[0:10:21 – 0:10:26] Adam: Do you think our eyeballs are bigger or smaller than a great horned owl’s eyes?
[0:10:26 – 0:10:28] Adam: I would love to know.
[0:10:30 – 0:10:31] Erik: Here you go.
[0:10:31 – 0:10:32] Erik: What a beautiful transition.
[0:10:32 – 0:10:38] Adam: It’s almost like we actually… Share a hive mind of owl and lagomorph technology.
[0:10:38 – 0:10:40] Erik: This is the next sentence in my notes.
[0:10:40 – 0:10:46] Erik: Great horned owls have the same sized eyes as humans.
[0:10:47 – 0:10:47] Erik: What?
[0:10:47 – 0:10:47] Erik: Yeah.
[0:10:47 – 0:10:52] Erik: And if that proportion were applied to humans, our eyes would be as large as tennis balls.
[0:10:53 – 0:10:55] Erik: How scary would that be?
[0:10:56 – 0:11:00] Adam: I just watched a documentary on UFOs and like aliens last night.
[0:11:01 – 0:11:06] Adam: And they were like, this one sighting, they’re like, their eyes are this big.
[0:11:06 – 0:11:08] Adam: And they make like their whole hand, you know?
[0:11:08 – 0:11:08] Erik: Yeah.
[0:11:09 – 0:11:10] Adam: Big eyes.
[0:11:10 – 0:11:11] Erik: Tennis ball eyes.
[0:11:11 – 0:11:11] Erik: Freaky.
[0:11:12 – 0:11:12] Adam: Yeah.
[0:11:12 – 0:11:13] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:11:13 – 0:11:14] Adam: I wouldn’t like that.
[0:11:15 – 0:11:15] Erik: No.
[0:11:15 – 0:11:20] Adam: Well, I guess it all depends on how much pupil and how much retina there is.
[0:11:21 – 0:11:21] Erik: Right.
[0:11:21 – 0:11:24] Erik: And their eyes are very complex.
[0:11:24 – 0:11:26] Adam: How many rods are in those things?
[0:11:26 – 0:11:34] Erik: I don’t have any information on exact rods, but they’re actually more tubular shaped than round.
[0:11:35 – 0:11:39] Erik: So the eyeball is not technically correct.
[0:11:39 – 0:11:40] Erik: It’s not a ball.
[0:11:40 – 0:11:41] Erik: More of an eye tube.
[0:11:41 – 0:12:08] Erik: an eye tube and this allows for more focal length which produces a more zoomed in image on the back of their retina so that’s why they like they essentially have like zoom vision they can’t like telescope in and out uh-huh but they’re they are set up to like for people who do photography like what’s the correlation there uh i don’t know like what kind of lens are you using on uh the night sky for that
[0:12:09 – 0:12:19] Erik: I’m sure there are some strigiform ologists out there that can relay that or even like, I have good eyesight.
[0:12:19 – 0:12:21] Erik: I’ve never been to the eye doctor.
[0:12:21 – 0:12:21] Erik: What do they call them?
[0:12:22 – 0:12:23] Erik: Optometrist.
[0:12:23 – 0:12:32] Erik: I’m sure there’s some optometrists out there that can give you like a correlation between eyeball focal lengths and then a photographer that could maybe make more sense out of that.
[0:12:32 – 0:12:32] Erik: Okay.
[0:12:33 – 0:12:34] Erik: I’m not prepared to do so.
[0:12:35 – 0:12:43] Erik: But the large shape of their eyes means that there actually isn’t enough room for them to actually move their eyes in their sockets like we can.
[0:12:43 – 0:12:45] Adam: That’s why they move their heads.
[0:12:45 – 0:12:45] Adam: Right.
[0:12:45 – 0:12:46] Adam: Those freaks.
[0:12:46 – 0:12:49] Erik: They have 14 bones in their neck allowing them to rotate 280 degrees.
[0:12:49 – 0:12:50] Erik: What?
[0:12:52 – 0:12:53] Adam: That’s nasty.
[0:12:53 – 0:12:59] Erik: Not 360 like is often believed, which I always think is funny, like full exorcist.
[0:12:59 – 0:13:01] Adam: It’s like a Lego guy.
[0:13:01 – 0:13:03] Adam: You just spin the thing.
[0:13:04 – 0:13:13] Erik: Many owls have tufts of feathers on the top of their head, and though referred to in some of their names as horns or ears, they are neither.
[0:13:14 – 0:13:17] Erik: Their ears are actually on their face just behind their eyes.
[0:13:18 – 0:13:18] Erik: What?
[0:13:18 – 0:13:19] Erik: Yeah.
[0:13:19 – 0:13:24] Erik: So, like, basically where ours are, just kind of buried in feathers.
[0:13:25 – 0:13:33] Erik: And the way that their face is designed is essentially like a satellite disc that is just meant to collect sound.
[0:13:35 – 0:13:36] Erik: And feelings.
[0:13:37 – 0:13:37] Erik: And feelings.
[0:13:38 – 0:13:38] Erik: And feelings.
[0:13:39 – 0:13:45] Erik: Their ear canals are asymmetrical, which allows them to locate prey in a pinpoint accuracy.
[0:13:45 – 0:13:46] Erik: Whoa.
[0:13:46 – 0:13:48] Adam: I don’t know why this is gross to me.
[0:13:48 – 0:13:48] Adam: I don’t like this.
[0:13:48 – 0:13:52] Erik: Well, it’s kind of the same, you know, when dogs cock their heads.
[0:13:52 – 0:13:53] Erik: Yeah.
[0:13:53 – 0:13:56] Erik: It’s so that they can get a better sense of where a sound is coming from.
[0:13:57 – 0:14:02] Erik: Because if you have sound coming from the same exact place and your ears are at the same level.
[0:14:02 – 0:14:03] Adam: That makes sense, actually.
[0:14:04 – 0:14:06] Erik: Um, so they’ve done scientific studies.
[0:14:06 – 0:14:22] Erik: Do not ask me how in any way, shape or form they were able to determine, but, uh, they have shown that hearing their hearing can differentiate the timing of a sound reaching each ear to 30 millionths of a second.
[0:14:24 – 0:14:31] Erik: And in a light-free lab, barn owls have been shown to successfully hunt with just hearing 90% of the time.
[0:14:32 – 0:14:36] Erik: So pitch black, no light, like their eyesight is taken out of the equation, just hearing.
[0:14:37 – 0:14:38] Erik: They can snatch up food 90% of the time.
[0:14:39 – 0:14:41] Adam: I read about this.
[0:14:41 – 0:14:47] Adam: They actually forced the Owls to listen to Paul Simon’s Graceland over and over again.
[0:14:47 – 0:14:53] Adam: It’s the perfect album to test their geolocation acoustics.
[0:14:55 – 0:14:56] Erik: It’s a very full album.
[0:14:56 – 0:14:57] Erik: It’s so jazzy.
[0:14:57 – 0:14:59] Erik: It’s very jazzy, African influenced.
[0:14:59 – 0:15:01] Adam: Yeah, it’s got so much bass.
[0:15:03 – 0:15:11] Erik: Generally speaking, the size of an owl is determined by the size of its prey, with their location latitudinally being closely related as well.
[0:15:11 – 0:15:16] Erik: Meaning, the farther north owls are, the larger they are.
[0:15:17 – 0:15:19] Erik: Although the Sowet owl is one of the smallest.
[0:15:19 – 0:15:22] Erik: It’s not a for sure rule, but it’s general.
[0:15:23 – 0:15:23] Erik: Um…
[0:15:24 – 0:15:31] Erik: And while many birds appear sexually dimorphic, owls have almost identical feather patterns between males and females.
[0:15:32 – 0:15:37] Erik: Biggest difference between males and females is their size, with females being 10 to 30% larger.
[0:15:38 – 0:15:47] Erik: And though it is not exactly clear why this discrepancy exists, it may be that females need the exercise for egg production and nest protection.
[0:15:48 – 0:15:53] Erik: And males need to be smaller and more agile for hunting and courtship displays.
[0:15:55 – 0:15:55] Adam: Yeah.
[0:15:56 – 0:15:57] Adam: They’re just bad bitches.
[0:15:57 – 0:15:58] Erik: Yeah, they are.
[0:15:59 – 0:16:00] Adam: Bring me some presents.
[0:16:01 – 0:16:02] Erik: Bring me some presents.
[0:16:02 – 0:16:03] Erik: Bring me some…
[0:16:05 – 0:16:06] Erik: Some meats.
[0:16:06 – 0:16:07] Erik: Some sexy snacks.
[0:16:08 – 0:16:09] Adam: I want those meats.
[0:16:10 – 0:16:13] Erik: So on their own, feathers are highly unique in the animal kingdom.
[0:16:14 – 0:16:17] Erik: But owl feathers are even more distinctive than most birds.
[0:16:18 – 0:16:22] Erik: When other birds fly, they cause quite a bit of turbulence in the air, resulting in noise.
[0:16:22 – 0:16:33] Erik: Owl feathers are structured in a way that allows them to fly silently, which obviously continues to add to their repertoire as champion predator of the skies.
[0:16:34 – 0:16:43] Erik: Outside of the prey not hearing them fly, though, the other advantage of flying silently is that it allows them to hear while they’re flying.
[0:16:43 – 0:16:50] Adam: Yeah, you’re not disturbing your, you’re not messing up your, you know, your gooches that way.
[0:16:50 – 0:16:52] Erik: You don’t want to disturb your gooch.
[0:16:52 – 0:16:53] Adam: Keep your gooches quiet.
[0:16:53 – 0:16:54] Adam: Yeah.
[0:16:55 – 0:16:57] Adam: Otherwise, the mice might get away.
[0:16:57 – 0:16:58] Erik: Yeah.
[0:17:00 – 0:17:09] Erik: So while being incredible hunters on their own, they too can become hunted and have adapted incredible camouflaging techniques to conceal their position from other birds.
[0:17:09 – 0:17:10] Adam: They can be hunted?
[0:17:11 – 0:17:11] Erik: Yeah.
[0:17:11 – 0:17:12] Adam: Who’s hunting owls?
[0:17:13 – 0:17:17] Adam: Mobs of crows, cats, felines.
[0:17:18 – 0:17:19] Erik: Pine martins.
[0:17:19 – 0:17:23] Adam: I just picture owls as being all huge, but I forget about the little tiny owls.
[0:17:23 – 0:17:23] Erik: Yeah.
[0:17:24 – 0:17:26] Erik: I love the concept of a mob of crows.
[0:17:26 – 0:17:27] Adam: Those sons of bitches.
[0:17:28 – 0:17:49] Adam: yeah i mean i think i do still go back to cancun with that bleep it that’s 1732 i got it sorry sorry apologize to our youth listeners we only have four hours to learn we’re trying to learn there’s no need for vulgarities we’re all learning here ask the lining kugels
[0:17:50 – 0:18:12] Erik: So when danger is present, they will employ what is known as the concealment posture, which is a posture where they accentuate their fur-toughed ears, which is the belief as to why those exist is because they’re supposed to kind of fragment their appearance in the woods to look like the tops of tree branches that have broken off.
[0:18:13 – 0:18:17] Erik: They’ll also suck in their feathers and get really thin.
[0:18:17 – 0:18:22] Erik: And sometimes they’ll even be known to like pull like a wing over their face, like a cape.
[0:18:23 – 0:18:23] Erik: Like really.
[0:18:24 – 0:18:24] Adam: What?
[0:18:24 – 0:18:25] Adam: They’re becaped?
[0:18:25 – 0:18:25] Erik: Yeah.
[0:18:25 – 0:18:27] Erik: Sometimes they’ll cape themselves.
[0:18:27 – 0:18:28] Adam: What?
[0:18:28 – 0:18:29] Adam: Yeah.
[0:18:29 – 0:18:32] Adam: There were some lab…
[0:18:32 – 0:18:36] Erik: There’s some lab studies where they’ll introduce like a cat into the room.
[0:18:37 – 0:18:38] Erik: We’ll get to it later.
[0:18:38 – 0:18:44] Erik: But the other thing that they do is they’ll do this bill clacking thing where they warn other owls in the area.
[0:18:44 – 0:18:44] Erik: Yeah.
[0:18:45 – 0:18:46] Erik: And it’s one of those calls…
[0:18:48 – 0:18:53] Erik: that you can really disturb a forest with if you have a reproduction of it with some speakers.
[0:18:54 – 0:19:01] Erik: You play owl bill clacking because it’s basically saying there’s a predator in the area and you can mess some things up.
[0:19:02 – 0:19:03] Adam: All that.
[0:19:04 – 0:19:09] Erik: In a good way, if you’re looking to do some research, but in a bad way for just the general animals of the forest there.
[0:19:10 – 0:19:11] Erik: Sure.
[0:19:12 – 0:19:14] Erik: They have zygodactyl toes.
[0:19:15 – 0:19:36] Erik: which is pretty crazy um what does that mean it means they have uh most birds are three forward one back um but owls parrots woodpeckers and osprey have zygodactyl arrangements um which means um two face forward one face is back and then there’s one that’s reversible
[0:19:38 – 0:19:39] Adam: A wiggler?
[0:19:39 – 0:19:39] Adam: A wiggler.
[0:19:39 – 0:19:42] Adam: What kind of freaky toe is that?
[0:19:42 – 0:19:45] Adam: Two and one and one, so they only have four.
[0:19:45 – 0:19:45] Adam: They have four.
[0:19:45 – 0:19:46] Erik: One of them’s a wiggler.
[0:19:47 – 0:19:47] Erik: One’s a reversible one.
[0:19:47 – 0:19:48] Erik: Zygodactyler.
[0:19:49 – 0:19:51] Erik: Zygodactylic arrangement.
[0:19:52 – 0:20:01] Erik: The largest of the owls, the great horned owl, can produce an arrangement of a 31 square inch talon net of death, which is…
[0:20:01 – 0:20:07] Erik: Basically, 31 square inches is roughly the size of these laptops we’re looking at right now.
[0:20:07 – 0:20:08] Adam: That’s nasty.
[0:20:09 – 0:20:10] Erik: Yeah.
[0:20:10 – 0:20:11] Erik: That’s disgusting.
[0:20:12 – 0:20:12] Adam: That’s disgusting.
[0:20:13 – 0:20:20] Erik: I would not want to be listening to this podcast and just coming to age as a ground rodent in the boreal forest.
[0:20:20 – 0:20:22] Adam: I used to walk around in the forest at night.
[0:20:22 – 0:20:27] Adam: Just easy peasy, looking at the stars.
[0:20:27 – 0:20:31] Adam: And now I got to worry about the zygodactylers?
[0:20:31 – 0:20:32] Adam: You don’t have to worry about them.
[0:20:33 – 0:20:35] SPEAKER_02: They’re the size of a laptop.
[0:20:35 – 0:20:40] Erik: They predominantly feed on rodents, birds, reptiles, and insects and are triggered by movement.
[0:20:40 – 0:20:40] Erik: And humans.
[0:20:41 – 0:20:42] Erik: No.
[0:20:42 – 0:20:45] Erik: Which is why they don’t feed on carrion or roadkill.
[0:20:45 – 0:20:47] Adam: This explains all the missing people.
[0:20:48 – 0:20:49] Erik: Oh, he could.
[0:20:49 – 0:20:50] Erik: It will explain a little bit.
[0:20:50 – 0:20:55] Erik: We’ll learn more about their calls and the article.
[0:20:55 – 0:21:00] Adam: Eyes the size of tennis balls and feet the size of a laptop.
[0:21:01 – 0:21:13] Erik: The little disclaimer ad thing that we read at the beginning of an episode last year where the guy was trying to get people to call in or write in with their experiences of mysterious noises or lights in the sky.
[0:21:13 – 0:21:14] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[0:21:15 – 0:21:16] Erik: We might have some answers for him.
[0:21:18 – 0:21:21] Erik: So the only time they tear up a catch is to feed their young.
[0:21:21 – 0:21:26] Erik: Otherwise, they eat like Homer Simpson does in that Frank Grimes episode.
[0:21:27 – 0:21:28] Erik: I think he eats more like a duck.
[0:21:28 – 0:21:32] Erik: Just all one big bite down the hatch.
[0:21:32 – 0:21:33] Erik: Their one sense of smell…
[0:21:34 – 0:21:38] Erik: Sorry, their one sense that is diminished, if not non-existent…
[0:21:39 – 0:21:47] Erik: Non-existent is their sense of smell, which would explain why there have been reports of great horned owls feeding on skunks.
[0:21:48 – 0:21:49] Adam: Also, they stink.
[0:21:50 – 0:21:52] Adam: They do smell terribly.
[0:21:52 – 0:21:53] Adam: Do you think owls stink?
[0:21:54 – 0:21:57] Adam: Yeah, they smell like a real foul baloney.
[0:21:57 – 0:22:00] Erik: I think they probably don’t smell like much unless they’ve just fed on a skunk.
[0:22:01 – 0:22:02] Adam: Ew, they’re nasty.
[0:22:03 – 0:22:05] Adam: Owls, they smell terrible.
[0:22:05 – 0:22:07] Adam: Also, they lack the sense of touch.
[0:22:08 – 0:22:09] Erik: And feeling.
[0:22:09 – 0:22:14] Adam: They’re really, you know, the piercing eyes, but they’re terrible at cuddling.
[0:22:15 – 0:22:18] Erik: Yeah, they look like they would be really good at cuddling, but they’re not.
[0:22:19 – 0:22:23] Adam: They’re always trying to get you with their zygoglades.
[0:22:23 – 0:22:24] Erik: Nailed it.
[0:22:26 – 0:22:27] Erik: It hurts.
[0:22:28 – 0:22:28] Erik: It hurts, Frank.
[0:22:29 – 0:22:35] Erik: So they have two stomachs, a proventriculus and a gizzard.
[0:22:35 – 0:22:37] Erik: You are just knocking them out of the park today, Eric.
[0:22:38 – 0:22:40] Erik: Yeah, there’s more big words along the way here.
[0:22:40 – 0:22:42] Erik: I’ve already spoiled one of them with the cloaca.
[0:22:43 – 0:22:46] Erik: The expulsion of undigested food is somewhat common.
[0:22:47 – 0:22:48] Erik: We’re talking pellets now.
[0:22:48 – 0:22:51] Erik: Did you dissect a pellet in grade school or middle school?
[0:22:51 – 0:22:52] Erik: No, I didn’t get to.
[0:22:53 – 0:22:53] Adam: Oh, wow.
[0:22:53 – 0:22:54] Adam: I went to a…
[0:22:54 – 0:22:56] Adam: A Christian high school.
[0:22:56 – 0:22:56] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:22:56 – 0:22:57] Adam: They didn’t believe in pellets.
[0:22:57 – 0:22:59] Adam: They don’t let you digest.
[0:22:59 – 0:23:01] Adam: No, they’re not getting to cut anything up.
[0:23:01 – 0:23:02] Adam: No.
[0:23:02 – 0:23:03] Erik: Trust me.
[0:23:03 – 0:23:11] Erik: So the fact that the undigested food of owls comes out in such a large amount with so much leftover fur and bones…
[0:23:12 – 0:23:37] Erik: um is actually kind of common among birds of prey but the reason that the owl pellets produce so much like whole parts is their stomach acid is so low as a ph of 2.35 uh well hawks just as an example have stomach acid six times that amount so hawks will like kind of hack up what is more probably closely related to like a a furball out of a cat um
[0:23:38 – 0:23:57] Erik: uh-huh owls are the only birds that really like produce like you can tell clearly what that owl just ate um and they produce one pellet per meal it’s like what they ate and then pellet so it’s almost like a daily occurrence they’re yakking up pellets that’s disgusting it is pretty gross what’s a cat uh acidity
[0:23:58 – 0:23:58] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:23:59 – 0:24:02] Erik: I don’t have a list of animal stomach acid pH levels in front of me here.
[0:24:02 – 0:24:04] Erik: That would be fun.
[0:24:04 – 0:24:04] Erik: You don’t?
[0:24:04 – 0:24:04] Erik: No.
[0:24:05 – 0:24:06] Erik: I should have come with that information.
[0:24:06 – 0:24:06] Erik: I should have known.
[0:24:10 – 0:24:13] Erik: So just another little note here.
[0:24:13 – 0:24:17] Erik: I know everybody… Not everybody, but most people, I think… Everybody wants to know.
[0:24:17 – 0:24:25] Erik: …had the pellet experience growing up in science class, but it should be known if you do encounter one in the wild, you should…
[0:24:26 – 0:24:31] Erik: Definitely take caution because most owl pellets do contain tapeworms and parasites.
[0:24:32 – 0:24:33] Adam: Oh, that’s interesting.
[0:24:33 – 0:24:37] Adam: Well, I learned that Jesus doesn’t approve of watercolor painting.
[0:24:37 – 0:24:39] Adam: Are you sure that’s not relevant?
[0:24:40 – 0:24:40] Erik: When did you learn that?
[0:24:41 – 0:24:41] Adam: In school.
[0:24:42 – 0:24:44] Erik: Oh, doesn’t approve of art.
[0:24:45 – 0:25:10] Adam: just watercolors just that form of art colors are of the devil the devil does watercolors everybody knows that all right uh and we didn’t learn about the pellets at all so and i feel like i missed out a lot it’s yeah i mean all we can look at the book after we’re done here and i can show you what a fully deconstructed owl pellet looks like and it’s uh manitowoc thanks for that i feel like a real idiot well i mean uh most of them have a car ferry
[0:25:11 – 0:25:14] Adam: but they can’t teach their children about the pellets.
[0:25:15 – 0:25:16] Erik: How many people are taking that ferry?
[0:25:16 – 0:25:18] Erik: They go from Manitowoc to some random town in Michigan?
[0:25:19 – 0:25:20] Adam: You shouldn’t even put people on it.
[0:25:20 – 0:25:21] Adam: I mean, put stuff on it maybe.
[0:25:22 – 0:25:22] Adam: Yeah, maybe.
[0:25:22 – 0:25:24] Adam: I’m not sure I would trust people on that ferry.
[0:25:24 – 0:25:26] Adam: Take that, Manitowoc.
[0:25:27 – 0:25:28] Adam: Got him.
[0:25:29 – 0:25:31] Adam: Why can’t you be more like Sheboygan?
[0:25:31 – 0:25:32] Adam: They got a brat fest.
[0:25:33 – 0:25:37] Erik: Yeah, no, we’re not going to get into what fests Manitowoc has to offer.
[0:25:37 – 0:25:39] Erik: Isn’t that where Stephen Avery’s from?
[0:25:40 – 0:25:42] Adam: No, he’s from Denmark.
[0:25:42 – 0:25:42] Adam: Denmark?
[0:25:43 – 0:25:43] Adam: Get it together.
[0:25:44 – 0:25:49] Adam: It’s up by Michigat, all right?
[0:25:49 – 0:25:51] Adam: Okay, Michigat.
[0:25:52 – 0:25:52] Adam: Get it together.
[0:25:52 – 0:25:54] Adam: It’s up by Maribel, all right?
[0:25:54 – 0:25:54] Adam: All right, sorry.
[0:25:54 – 0:25:55] Adam: By the caves?
[0:25:55 – 0:25:57] Adam: Well, isn’t that where they found the first body?
[0:25:57 – 0:26:00] Adam: There’s probably a lot of owls up in the Maribel caves.
[0:26:00 – 0:26:03] Adam: I don’t have any information on Wisconsin owls.
[0:26:03 – 0:26:06] Adam: Well, it’s limestone deposit, I mean.
[0:26:06 – 0:26:07] Adam: I’m sure there’s some.
[0:26:07 – 0:26:07] Adam: Pretty interesting.
[0:26:07 – 0:26:08] Erik: Well, we’re getting into nesting here.
[0:26:09 – 0:26:11] Adam: Well, that might take us into nesting then.
[0:26:11 – 0:26:11] Adam: Yep.
[0:26:11 – 0:26:19] Erik: Most owls do not construct their own nests, with most of them being cavity nesters, taking advantage of holes in sandstone.
[0:26:19 – 0:26:20] Adam: Freeloaders.
[0:26:20 – 0:26:21] Adam: Freeloaders.
[0:26:21 – 0:26:22] Adam: What about the burrowing ones, though?
[0:26:22 – 0:26:24] Adam: They’re making their own nest.
[0:26:24 – 0:26:25] Erik: Well, it’s on the ground.
[0:26:25 – 0:26:29] Adam: Maybe I am coming around to those burrowing owls.
[0:26:29 – 0:26:32] Erik: Well, they’ll also take over previously built nests.
[0:26:32 – 0:26:34] Erik: All right, then.
[0:26:34 – 0:26:35] Erik: Of other bird species.
[0:26:35 – 0:26:36] Erik: I don’t like that.
[0:26:37 – 0:26:38] Erik: And why like this, though?
[0:26:38 – 0:26:43] Erik: The great horned owl, they nest earlier than any other bird species.
[0:26:43 – 0:26:48] Erik: So essentially, it’s like going out and searching for a Bongewater site like the day after ice out.
[0:26:48 – 0:26:53] Erik: Like they get to just pick the nicest nest that somebody else built last year.
[0:26:53 – 0:26:55] Adam: This nest here is an A+.
[0:26:55 – 0:26:57] Adam: It’s got a real nice landing.
[0:26:57 – 0:26:58] Adam: Nest graders.
[0:26:58 – 0:26:59] Adam: Excellent brown volcano.
[0:27:02 – 0:27:07] Adam: Seven to eight great egg hammock spots.
[0:27:07 – 0:27:15] Erik: Owl nests are usually, if they are taking over one from last year, are usually so destroyed by the end of the nesting period that they’re never used again.
[0:27:16 – 0:27:17] Adam: why are they destroyed?
[0:27:17 – 0:27:19] Erik: Cause they don’t like keep them up.
[0:27:19 – 0:27:19] Erik: They just live in them.
[0:27:20 – 0:27:34] Erik: And with this, how big, um, derelict tenants kind of, I mean, on purpose, I guess on purpose is a troubling, would be a troubling term for somebody studying owls.
[0:27:34 – 0:27:35] Erik: Like I don’t think it’s on purpose.
[0:27:36 – 0:27:37] Erik: I think it’s just, they’re taking advantage.
[0:27:37 – 0:27:38] Adam: Tell the intent.
[0:27:39 – 0:27:41] Erik: I think they’re taking advantage of a situation.
[0:27:41 – 0:27:42] Adam: Hmm.
[0:27:42 – 0:27:42] Adam: Okay.
[0:27:43 – 0:27:43] Erik: Um,
[0:27:44 – 0:27:48] Erik: So they’re the most vocal of birds of prey by far.
[0:27:49 – 0:28:00] Erik: Great horned and bar owls have so many different sounds that is beyond cataloging, which might explain some of those strange, unexplainable sounds people hear in the woods at night.
[0:28:01 – 0:28:05] Adam: Yeah, I heard one of them reading Steinbeck one time and I was like, that’s cool.
[0:28:05 – 0:28:06] Adam: Yeah, wood knocks.
[0:28:07 – 0:28:08] Erik: Do you hear any wood knocks?
[0:28:10 – 0:28:11] Adam: That’s a squatch.
[0:28:11 – 0:28:11] Adam: All right.
[0:28:11 – 0:28:12] Adam: That’s a squatch.
[0:28:12 – 0:28:13] Adam: It was not an owl.
[0:28:13 – 0:28:14] Erik: That’s a squatch.
[0:28:14 – 0:28:15] Erik: Got it.
[0:28:15 – 0:28:22] Erik: The call, they call for all the same reasons other birds do, territory, courtship, mating, and usually occur right after sunset.
[0:28:23 – 0:28:24] Adam: Fantasy football.
[0:28:24 – 0:28:25] Adam: And right before dawn.
[0:28:25 – 0:28:27] Adam: They’re trying to make a trade, right?
[0:28:28 – 0:28:30] Erik: So they spend most of the late night hunting.
[0:28:30 – 0:28:33] Erik: So that’s why it’s usually dusk and dawn.
[0:28:36 – 0:28:46] Erik: So the courtship period of owls is probably the least understood aspect of their lives because of the remoteness in which it occurs and the darkness in which it occurs as well.
[0:28:46 – 0:28:48] Adam: I, too, only make love in the dark.
[0:28:49 – 0:28:50] Adam: I’m an owl in that way.
[0:28:50 – 0:28:51] Erik: Okay.
[0:28:51 – 0:28:51] Erik: That’s good to know.
[0:28:52 – 0:28:54] Erik: Good personal information that everybody now knows.
[0:28:54 – 0:28:54] Adam: Yeah.
[0:28:55 – 0:28:56] Adam: Nobody needs to get nude in the daylight.
[0:28:57 – 0:28:57] Adam: All right?
[0:28:57 – 0:28:59] Adam: Keep your bodies in the dark.
[0:28:59 – 0:29:00] Adam: I think that, yeah.
[0:29:00 – 0:29:01] Adam: That’s what Jesus would want.
[0:29:01 – 0:29:03] Adam: That’s what we learned growing up in school.
[0:29:04 – 0:29:05] SPEAKER_02: You also learned that in Catholic school?
[0:29:05 – 0:29:06] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that’s what I learned.
[0:29:09 – 0:29:12] Adam: Jesus doesn’t need to see your owl penis.
[0:29:13 – 0:29:13] Erik: Okay.
[0:29:15 – 0:29:19] Erik: So what is known is that there’s a lot of chasing, a lot of exchanging of foods.
[0:29:20 – 0:29:26] Erik: But when a couple does finally settle down quietly next to each other on a branch, you know that the time to mate is close at hand.
[0:29:28 – 0:29:29] Erik: I’m uncomfortable.
[0:29:30 – 0:29:53] Erik: The mating process consists of a lot of copulation, which is again somewhat confusing and not very well understood because it begins up to a month before any egg laying occurs and happens dozens if not hundreds of times because the sperm from the last mating event is what actually inseminates.
[0:29:54 – 0:29:57] Erik: It really seems like a waste of energy to be
[0:29:59 – 0:30:02] Erik: going at it that often if it’s just going to be…
[0:30:02 – 0:30:10] Erik: But it could just be them like, well, we don’t know when this is going to be an insemination kiss, so we should just keep doing it.
[0:30:11 – 0:30:21] Erik: So it’s still generally not understood as to why they go at it as often as they do, but essentially… Because it’s fun.
[0:30:21 – 0:30:23] Erik: Well, there’s also that argument as well.
[0:30:24 – 0:30:25] Erik: You can’t get into the mind of an owl.
[0:30:25 – 0:30:26] Adam: If they’re that intelligent…
[0:30:27 – 0:30:32] Erik: Well, I’ve not necessarily provided any information that there is intelligence happening here.
[0:30:34 – 0:30:36] Adam: I mean, they’re at least as smart as a cat.
[0:30:36 – 0:30:37] Adam: They’re like sky cats.
[0:30:37 – 0:30:38] Adam: Sky cats.
[0:30:38 – 0:30:39] Erik: Yeah, that’s probably true.
[0:30:39 – 0:30:42] Erik: But anyway, we’re on to the cloacas.
[0:30:43 – 0:30:45] Adam: Oh, we finally made it to the cloacas.
[0:30:45 – 0:30:45] Erik: Yes.
[0:30:45 – 0:30:53] Erik: Both male and female owls have cloacas, which is essentially a vent where the intestinal tract and the reproductive tract merge.
[0:30:54 – 0:30:54] Adam: What?
[0:30:54 – 0:30:56] Erik: Yeah.
[0:30:56 – 0:31:05] Erik: And in a wild form of avian Kama Sutra, the female lifts her tail and the male, no, the female lifts his tail.
[0:31:06 – 0:31:09] Erik: The male lowers his tail as he is crouched on her back.
[0:31:09 – 0:31:17] Erik: And the cloacal kiss occurs where millions of sperm are passed in a matter of three to four seconds.
[0:31:18 – 0:31:18] Adam: That’s hot.
[0:31:19 – 0:31:20] Adam: That’s pretty hot, I gotta say.
[0:31:21 – 0:31:21] Erik: Yeah.
[0:31:22 – 0:31:23] Erik: Couple of openings touch.
[0:31:23 – 0:31:25] Adam: I think we gotta take a break right now.
[0:31:25 – 0:31:26] Adam: Do we?
[0:31:26 – 0:31:27] Adam: Yeah, we gotta take a break.
[0:31:27 – 0:31:30] Erik: I got a bead of sweat coming down your forehead right now.
[0:31:31 – 0:31:36] Erik: Are we gonna call this episode Kissing the Cloaca?
[0:31:36 – 0:31:38] Adam: No, definitely not.
[0:31:38 – 0:31:39] Adam: Unsubscribe.
[0:31:42 – 0:31:43] Erik: Does anybody have any questions?
[0:31:45 – 0:31:45] Adam: I have
[0:31:46 – 0:31:46] Adam: I have none.
[0:31:46 – 0:31:50] Adam: I think you’ve done a pretty good job explaining it so far.
[0:31:50 – 0:31:50] Erik: All right.
[0:31:51 – 0:31:55] Erik: I mean, it’s been a little too erotic, but I will allow it.
[0:31:55 – 0:32:11] Erik: Well, we’re past the eroticism at this point, which is the obvious repercussions of the eroticness is the egg laying, which can occur, which is like, it was like,
[0:32:11 – 0:32:15] Adam: So wait, they put their bits together and then the egg is just done?
[0:32:16 – 0:32:23] Erik: So they put their bits together and then egg laying can occur hours or up to weeks after mating.
[0:32:23 – 0:32:29] Erik: I feel like it’s still relatively not super well understood process.
[0:32:29 – 0:32:34] Adam: There’s like 48 different ways to cook an egg in a kitchen right now that I know of.
[0:32:34 – 0:32:35] Adam: So, I mean, it depends.
[0:32:35 – 0:32:37] Adam: Are you poaching that egg?
[0:32:38 – 0:32:39] Adam: Is it over medium?
[0:32:39 – 0:32:41] Erik: I don’t want to think about cooking an owl egg.
[0:32:41 – 0:32:41] Adam: Scrambled.
[0:32:43 – 0:32:47] Erik: But once it starts, the egg lang that is.
[0:32:47 – 0:32:48] Erik: Basted.
[0:32:49 – 0:32:51] Erik: You put a little vinegar in there.
[0:32:51 – 0:32:52] Erik: It really seals that top up.
[0:32:52 – 0:32:53] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:32:53 – 0:32:54] Adam: Maybe a little like kimchi juice.
[0:32:55 – 0:32:55] Erik: Yeah.
[0:32:55 – 0:32:57] Erik: I like using jalapeno, pickled jalapeno juice.
[0:32:57 – 0:32:59] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:33:00 – 0:33:02] Erik: So after that, eggs are laid every 24 to 48 hours.
[0:33:02 – 0:33:03] Erik: They’re all good?
[0:33:03 – 0:33:03] Erik: Yeah.
[0:33:06 – 0:33:08] Erik: Typically, I don’t know.
[0:33:08 – 0:33:12] Erik: I didn’t get into the specifics on like percentages of like successful eggs.
[0:33:13 – 0:33:14] Erik: I think they’re all successful.
[0:33:14 – 0:33:22] Erik: The point in which there could be some unsuccessful procreation is when they actually hatch.
[0:33:23 – 0:33:25] Adam: So are their penises made of feathers?
[0:33:25 – 0:33:26] Erik: They don’t have penises.
[0:33:26 – 0:33:27] Erik: It’s cloacas.
[0:33:27 – 0:33:27] Erik: It’s holes.
[0:33:28 – 0:33:30] Erik: It’s touching of the portals.
[0:33:31 – 0:33:31] Erik: We’ll get real base.
[0:33:31 – 0:33:33] Erik: Is it like little portals?
[0:33:33 – 0:33:35] Erik: Explain to me like I’m five at this point.
[0:33:35 – 0:33:40] Erik: It’s a hole that poop, pee, and sexual- And pellets.
[0:33:40 – 0:33:42] Erik: No, they regurgitate the pellets out of their mouths.
[0:33:43 – 0:33:45] Erik: That would be too much for the cloaca.
[0:33:45 – 0:33:46] Adam: That’s too many things.
[0:33:46 – 0:33:47] Adam: You only get three things.
[0:33:47 – 0:33:54] Erik: So, you know, there is end of the system waste, which is still things that the body isn’t able to absorb.
[0:33:55 – 0:33:57] Erik: They’re just pooping on each other until they make eggs.
[0:33:58 – 0:34:00] Erik: They poop out of the mouth in the form of a pellet.
[0:34:00 – 0:34:06] Erik: And then they excrete in the form of like just the tiniest bit of waste that their body still can’t handle.
[0:34:06 – 0:34:10] Erik: And then I’m assuming some form of urine.
[0:34:10 – 0:34:14] Erik: And then the cloacal kiss, which is…
[0:34:15 – 0:34:42] Erik: male semen onto um a female egg or egg area again baseline egg chamber an egg chamber yeah baseline knowledge on owls here um if anybody out there is an ornithologist and specifically focuses on the strigiforms feel free to correct us strigonometrist
[0:34:43 – 0:34:50] Adam: Let us know, does the eggshell form before or after the connecting of the tubes?
[0:34:50 – 0:34:51] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:34:51 – 0:34:58] Erik: The formation of the egg, which is actually one of the bigger questions that I had last week from the Lagiform episode, was probably not answered.
[0:34:59 – 0:35:04] Erik: But I don’t know if that’s really an easy one to find out either.
[0:35:04 – 0:35:05] Erik: How do you make the shell?
[0:35:06 – 0:35:08] Erik: So when they come out, they’re dull white.
[0:35:09 – 0:35:15] Erik: Presuming that both male and females can defend the nest, camouflage isn’t necessarily needed.
[0:35:15 – 0:35:18] Erik: You know, you see some of those like mottled eggs that aren’t easily spotable.
[0:35:19 – 0:35:19] Adam: Yeah.
[0:35:19 – 0:35:23] Adam: Did it say like what kind of trees they prefer?
[0:35:23 – 0:35:27] Adam: You said it was in like crevasse mostly?
[0:35:27 – 0:35:30] Erik: Well, they mostly are taking advantage of cavities.
[0:35:31 – 0:35:32] Erik: Owls are huge.
[0:35:32 – 0:35:34] Erik: What kind of caves are they nesting in?
[0:35:34 – 0:35:40] Erik: Well, the bigger great horns, snowy owls, they’re ground nesters.
[0:35:40 – 0:35:48] Erik: But great horned, barred owls, they’re taking advantage of like old bald eagles nests.
[0:35:48 – 0:35:49] Erik: Oh.
[0:35:49 – 0:35:52] Erik: Big previous nests from last season that nobody’s in.
[0:35:52 – 0:35:52] Erik: That’s what I said.
[0:35:52 – 0:35:58] Erik: Like that opportunity where they get to bed down first early, early in the spring.
[0:35:58 – 0:36:01] Erik: They’re getting the first dibs on those sweet spots.
[0:36:02 – 0:36:04] Erik: And once they take them over, they’re…
[0:36:04 – 0:36:09] Adam: Do you think a great horned owl has ever fought a bald eagle?
[0:36:09 – 0:36:11] Erik: Oh, I’m sure it’s happened.
[0:36:11 – 0:36:12] Erik: I don’t know if it’s necessarily happened.
[0:36:12 – 0:36:13] Adam: Who’s got bigger eyes?
[0:36:14 – 0:36:15] Adam: Owls do for sure.
[0:36:15 – 0:36:16] Adam: Or an eagle.
[0:36:16 – 0:36:17] Adam: Owls, yeah.
[0:36:18 – 0:36:20] Adam: What about an owl or a pleidian?
[0:36:21 – 0:36:23] Erik: We’re just going to compare eye size now?
[0:36:23 – 0:36:23] Adam: Yeah.
[0:36:24 – 0:36:25] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:36:27 – 0:36:28] Erik: The number of eggs.
[0:36:28 – 0:36:28] Erik: I think it’s the owls.
[0:36:29 – 0:36:31] Erik: Yeah, I think they have like percentage wise to their.
[0:36:31 – 0:36:33] Erik: Biggest eyes in the whole universe.
[0:36:33 – 0:36:36] Erik: To the, compared to the size of their body weight.
[0:36:37 – 0:36:37] Erik: Yeah.
[0:36:37 – 0:36:38] Erik: I mean, it’s gotta be up there.
[0:36:38 – 0:36:39] Erik: 5% eye.
[0:36:39 – 0:36:40] Erik: 5% eye.
[0:36:40 – 0:36:41] Erik: That’s crazy.
[0:36:41 – 0:36:42] Erik: Maybe six.
[0:36:42 – 0:36:46] Erik: But I also think it is a little bit skewed because of the fact that they’re birds.
[0:36:46 – 0:36:49] Erik: So everything else is super lightweight, you know.
[0:36:50 – 0:37:12] Adam: yeah they’re not like packing much weight to begin with like 90 feather yeah 10 eye yeah no 90 feather nine percent eye one percent cloaca beak actually their beaks are pretty small they they’re like they come out like just a tiny little bit and they bend down like almost immediately do they have teeth inside the beak no
[0:37:14 – 0:37:14] Adam: No, they don’t.
[0:37:14 – 0:37:15] Erik: It’s all beak.
[0:37:15 – 0:37:16] Erik: Pretty much all beak.
[0:37:16 – 0:37:24] Erik: And the beak doesn’t really do much besides like occasionally like shred some meat and put like the death blow on.
[0:37:24 – 0:37:25] Erik: It’s kind of like.
[0:37:25 – 0:37:26] Erik: It’s got like the.
[0:37:26 – 0:37:30] Erik: Did you just say barbacoa?
[0:37:30 – 0:37:31] Erik: Heck yeah, I did.
[0:37:32 – 0:37:35] Erik: It’s like I said, most of the time they’re just swallowing things whole.
[0:37:35 – 0:37:36] Erik: The only time they use the beak is.
[0:37:36 – 0:37:37] Erik: So they are heathens.
[0:37:37 – 0:37:40] Erik: To kill their talons.
[0:37:41 – 0:37:42] Adam: They don’t even know about vinegar, do they?
[0:37:43 – 0:37:47] Erik: No, they don’t know how to truly poach an egg or baste an egg, I should say.
[0:37:47 – 0:37:49] Erik: That’s the cheater way to poach.
[0:37:49 – 0:37:51] Adam: Nailed it, yeah.
[0:37:51 – 0:37:57] Erik: So most owls, depending on species and range, will lay anywhere from two to seven eggs.
[0:37:58 – 0:38:03] Erik: And it is mostly dependent on prey availability, which is sort of a gamble, I would think.
[0:38:04 – 0:38:06] Erik: I don’t know how the intelligence of an owl.
[0:38:06 – 0:38:08] Adam: They can see where all the lagomorphs are.
[0:38:09 – 0:38:10] Erik: I think it’s mostly due to the…
[0:38:10 – 0:38:25] Erik: It’s not a decision they make, but if they’re a well-fed female and male couple, they probably will produce more knowing that… Not knowing, but the more energy they have to expend would mean they can produce more offspring.
[0:38:27 – 0:38:40] Erik: And once the eggs are laid, females will incubate their eggs almost nonstop, spending 23 hours a day on the nest, only taking breaks to stretch and defecate.
[0:38:41 – 0:38:45] Erik: The males hunt and will feed the female for up to a month of incubation time.
[0:38:47 – 0:39:03] Erik: And since the female owls will start incubation after the first egg is laid, it results in asynchronous hatching, which means that they will hatch at different times, which is different than almost all other birds who don’t begin incubation until all eggs are laid.
[0:39:04 – 0:39:08] Erik: And the reason for this is still being debated.
[0:39:10 – 0:39:14] Erik: Um, the incubation period lasts anywhere from 24 to 32 days.
[0:39:15 – 0:39:26] Erik: And after hatching a six to 10 day brooding period starts where the female still remains almost entirely on the nest, keeping the young owls warm until their temperature regulation mechanisms have been formed.
[0:39:27 – 0:39:35] Erik: Um, and the speed of growth of owlets is entirely based on food supply and they can even stop growing at times if the supplies are not sufficient.
[0:39:35 – 0:39:37] Adam: I got to think owlets are pretty cute.
[0:39:37 – 0:39:38] Adam: You got any pictures?
[0:39:39 – 0:39:40] Adam: Well, there’s this whole book here.
[0:39:40 – 0:39:41] Adam: Oh, cool.
[0:39:41 – 0:39:42] Adam: It’s got owlets in it.
[0:39:42 – 0:39:43] Erik: There’s a pellet.
[0:39:44 – 0:39:45] Erik: It’s cute.
[0:39:45 – 0:39:45] Erik: Not cute.
[0:39:45 – 0:39:48] Erik: That is a pile of mouse bones.
[0:39:50 – 0:40:01] Erik: So the one thing that comes with the asynchronous hatching is that typically the oldest or more aggressive in the nest will often create a feeding situation in which a younger, weaker owl will eventually die.
[0:40:03 – 0:40:06] Erik: and is often cannibalized by their siblings.
[0:40:07 – 0:40:13] Adam: Well, yeah, this doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to have them staggered release owl.
[0:40:13 – 0:40:14] SPEAKER_02: Right, it doesn’t.
[0:40:14 – 0:40:15] SPEAKER_02: It’s not fair.
[0:40:16 – 0:40:20] Adam: I wonder if I can… You know, it’s just…
[0:40:21 – 0:40:26] Adam: The eldest child gets so many advantages already, and now you’re going to eat your siblings?
[0:40:26 – 0:40:26] Adam: Come on.
[0:40:27 – 0:40:28] Adam: I mean, that’s just rude.
[0:40:29 – 0:40:29] Erik: It is, yeah.
[0:40:29 – 0:40:33] Erik: And the asynchronous hatching, like I said.
[0:40:33 – 0:40:34] Adam: Those nasty boys.
[0:40:35 – 0:40:40] Erik: Yeah, they are basically born with down fur on them.
[0:40:40 – 0:40:44] Adam: So like one owl a season is going to survive, basically?
[0:40:44 – 0:40:45] Adam: Is that what’s happening?
[0:40:46 – 0:40:51] Erik: No, I don’t know if they necessarily had any information that directly provided elf owls.
[0:40:51 – 0:40:51] Erik: Yeah.
[0:40:53 – 0:40:55] Erik: So yeah, this is a direct quote from the book.
[0:41:14 – 0:41:18] Erik: Others believe it is designed to help chicks survive after hatching.
[0:41:18 – 0:41:27] Erik: If a parent dies or food is deficient, older chicks will often kill and eat younger siblings to survive and to reduce the competition for food.
[0:41:27 – 0:41:28] Erik: Oh, no.
[0:41:28 – 0:41:30] Adam: It’s like a backup plan?
[0:41:30 – 0:41:31] Erik: It’s a backup plan.
[0:41:31 – 0:41:34] Adam: If things are good, then all three of you will be fine.
[0:41:34 – 0:41:38] Adam: But if things are rough, then only alpha baby will survive.
[0:41:39 – 0:41:53] Erik: yeah it’s like whatever that keeping all of your uh eggs in the same basket or whatever so you spread out your chances of survival again still still debated um uh
[0:41:57 – 0:42:04] Erik: As the owls grow larger, the male and female spend more time hunting and bringing it back to the nest.
[0:42:04 – 0:42:11] Erik: And after two weeks, the young can actually digest their own whole food that hasn’t been like hacked up.
[0:42:11 – 0:42:12] Erik: They don’t regurgitate.
[0:42:12 – 0:42:17] Adam: Their beaks are finally like hard enough to get their own scraping gone.
[0:42:18 – 0:42:19] Erik: Yeah.
[0:42:19 – 0:42:23] Erik: And the biggest obstacle for any owl is learning to fly.
[0:42:24 – 0:42:30] Erik: And it usually takes ground-dwelling owls the longest to learn this critical skill.
[0:42:31 – 0:42:45] Erik: And once any owl leaves the nest, they usually never return, which usually occurs four to six weeks after birth, even though a lot of those early days after leaving the nest are still spent hopping around on branches or on the ground.
[0:42:45 – 0:42:47] Adam: That’s exactly what happened to me when I left Manitowoc.
[0:42:48 – 0:42:49] Erik: You just were climbing trees?
[0:42:49 – 0:42:50] Adam: I was stepping around for a little bit.
[0:42:51 – 0:42:54] Adam: I didn’t quite know what I was doing for a couple decades.
[0:42:54 – 0:42:57] Adam: And then I finally figured out how to fly.
[0:42:57 – 0:43:07] Erik: During this transition, though, they are still being supervised by their parents, and they aren’t fully on their own until that next winter.
[0:43:09 – 0:43:14] Erik: They’re essentially teenagers through that first summer where they’re learning to fly and hunt.
[0:43:14 – 0:43:18] Erik: They remain with their parents and are fed, if needed, for up to almost four months.
[0:43:19 – 0:43:31] Erik: And as the first winter of their lives nears, the young must leave the territory in what is known as natal dispersal, where they travel alone to find their own way through unfamiliar territory, which is very dangerous.
[0:43:32 – 0:43:35] Erik: Actually, the most dangerous time outside of the desert.
[0:43:36 – 0:43:44] Erik: learning to fly phase, where a lot of times they’re just kind of bouncing around on the ground, especially because they’re learning new territories.
[0:43:44 – 0:43:47] Erik: A lot of times they’ll run into cars, buildings, or power lines.
[0:43:49 – 0:43:53] Erik: And this event is actually triggered by hormones.
[0:43:53 – 0:43:57] Erik: So it’s not that the parents are, like, casting them out.
[0:43:57 – 0:43:59] Erik: It’s just, like, something’s triggered where they’re, like…
[0:43:59 – 0:44:00] Adam: I’m really disappointed in you, Theo.
[0:44:01 – 0:44:01] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[0:44:02 – 0:44:04] Erik: Get out of here.
[0:44:04 – 0:44:06] Adam: You’re no longer welcome in Michigan.
[0:44:07 – 0:44:08] Adam: You got to get out of here.
[0:44:08 – 0:44:09] Erik: No, there’s none of that.
[0:44:11 – 0:44:28] Erik: And sometimes they only travel like 20 to 50 miles, but there have been cases that the owls on their first season during their natal dispersal travel up to 5,000 miles, which is like from like LA to New York.
[0:44:30 – 0:44:30] Adam: Whoa.
[0:44:31 – 0:44:41] Erik: The Samoan and burrowing owls, sorry, the Samoan and burrowing owls are the only true migrators with some being partial migrators.
[0:44:43 – 0:44:46] Erik: The majority of Northern American owls are not migratory.
[0:44:47 – 0:44:52] Erik: But this doesn’t mean that owls necessarily stay in the same place at all times.
[0:44:54 – 0:45:01] Erik: They will move based on a lack of food supply or on the existence of a better one.
[0:45:02 – 0:45:06] Erik: And these are called eruption years or eruption years.
[0:45:06 – 0:45:08] Erik: It’s not spelled like the volcanic eruption.
[0:45:08 – 0:45:10] Erik: It’s I-R-R-U-P-T-I-O-N.
[0:45:10 – 0:45:11] Erik: I wish I could roll my R’s.
[0:45:12 – 0:45:12] Erik: Eruption years.
[0:45:12 – 0:45:14] Adam: Eruption years.
[0:45:14 – 0:45:30] Erik: And apparently there was a real crazy one back in 2004 and 2005 in Minnesota when there was thousands of great gray and northern hawk owls that descended on Minnesota from Canada because there was such a lemming and ground rodent paucity.
[0:45:33 – 0:45:50] Erik: Since all northern owls can hear prey moving under 12 inches of snow, along with dark nights and leafless branches, the forests of the winter are the most advantageous season for the Strigiform.
[0:45:52 – 0:45:54] Erik: Strigiforms.
[0:45:55 – 0:45:59] Erik: And that’s the basics on owls.
[0:46:00 – 0:46:00] Adam: Yeah.
[0:46:00 – 0:46:00] Adam: Yeah.
[0:46:00 – 0:46:01] Adam: Learned a lot.
[0:46:01 – 0:46:02] Adam: They got tubes.
[0:46:03 – 0:46:03] Adam: They got feathers.
[0:46:04 – 0:46:06] Adam: They got big old eyes.
[0:46:06 – 0:46:07] Adam: Crazy eyes.
[0:46:07 – 0:46:10] Adam: Their eyes are bigger than these microphones in Studio K2.
[0:46:11 – 0:46:14] Adam: That’s pretty wild to think about.
[0:46:14 – 0:46:17] Erik: Well, I think they don’t have as big of eyes as these microphones.
[0:46:17 – 0:46:18] Adam: Oh, they’re bigger.
[0:46:18 – 0:46:19] Adam: They probably are bigger.
[0:46:19 – 0:46:24] Erik: If we had owl eyes in our heads, they would be the size of these microphones.
[0:46:25 – 0:46:26] Adam: What if the aliens are owls?
[0:46:28 – 0:46:30] Erik: What if the aliens are owls?
[0:46:30 – 0:46:34] Adam: Yeah, the greys are probably just like featherless owls, maybe.
[0:46:35 – 0:46:39] Erik: I didn’t see any pictures in the book of a featherless owl, but that would be disturbing.
[0:46:39 – 0:46:45] Adam: You ever seen one of those pictures where it’s like, look at this owl sleeping, and it’s just one of those owls just laying face down?
[0:46:46 – 0:46:47] Erik: No.
[0:46:47 – 0:46:47] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:46:48 – 0:46:50] Adam: They sleep like a bunch of freaks.
[0:46:51 – 0:46:53] Adam: There’s some more rock facts for you at the end of this one.
[0:46:55 – 0:47:02] Adam: Anybody that stuck around to the 46th minute is getting some real neat owl sleeping facts.
[0:47:02 – 0:47:06] Erik: I mean, I just threw down 46 minutes of straight owl facts.
[0:47:06 – 0:47:13] Erik: I don’t know who wouldn’t still be here, especially since we teased the banter at the back end of the episode.
[0:47:14 – 0:47:15] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:47:15 – 0:47:20] Erik: Before we get to the banter, which is, are you prepared to do the underrated, overrated, best, worst?
[0:47:21 – 0:47:22] Adam: Yeah.
[0:47:22 – 0:47:26] Adam: No, I’m not really prepared in any way, but yes, I am prepared.
[0:47:26 – 0:47:26] Adam: Yeah.
[0:47:26 – 0:47:28] Erik: I didn’t do any research.
[0:47:28 – 0:47:40] Erik: So anytime you fire up a tumble home, just know that seconds before that record button got pushed, that is the sentence that got said.
[0:47:40 – 0:47:41] Adam: I’m not ready.
[0:47:42 – 0:47:47] Adam: I’m not prepared in any way from both of us most of the time.
[0:47:47 – 0:47:48] Adam: That’s really a statement.
[0:47:48 – 0:47:48] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:47:49 – 0:47:54] Erik: Before we get into it, we’re going to do a fun, just has nothing to do with Boundary Waters.
[0:47:54 – 0:48:03] Erik: We’re just taking advantage of a fun concept and the thought that I had the other day about just how fun those days were.
[0:48:04 – 0:48:07] Erik: But before we get there, this is the last episode of Tumble Home.
[0:48:07 – 0:48:13] Erik: No, this is the last episode before Selection Sunday.
[0:48:14 – 0:48:15] Erik: Sunday, Sunday, Sunday.
[0:48:15 – 0:48:16] Adam: Big time coming up.
[0:48:18 – 0:48:20] Adam: One week and a few hours away.
[0:48:20 – 0:48:24] Erik: Yeah, one week and a few hours Sunday.
[0:48:24 – 0:48:35] Adam: The Quaker of talent versus the Quaker of potential is going to touch and a lot of potential is going to transfer.
[0:48:36 – 0:48:39] Erik: So, yeah, me and Adam are going to be on camera kissing our cloacas.
[0:48:41 – 0:48:45] Adam: Tumble Home Sports Network tradition, you know, unlike any other.
[0:48:45 – 0:48:47] Adam: It’s going to be continued.
[0:48:47 – 0:48:48] Erik: It’s the tumble tourney.
[0:48:48 – 0:48:50] Erik: It’s time to get the blazers out.
[0:48:50 – 0:48:51] Erik: The blazers are coming out.
[0:48:51 – 0:48:52] Erik: Get those blazers.
[0:48:52 – 0:48:53] Erik: The ties are coming out.
[0:48:53 – 0:48:56] Erik: It’s Sunday, February 28th.
[0:48:59 – 0:49:00] Erik: At noon, if you’re not…
[0:49:00 – 0:49:02] Adam: Noon Central.
[0:49:02 – 0:49:03] Erik: Noon Central.
[0:49:03 – 0:49:04] Erik: Way to clarify.
[0:49:04 – 0:49:06] Adam: We’re not screwing around with that Eastern time zone.
[0:49:06 – 0:49:09] Erik: No, we don’t care about them.
[0:49:09 – 0:49:10] Erik: Yeah, noon Central.
[0:49:10 – 0:49:12] Adam: New York, never heard of it.
[0:49:13 – 0:49:15] Adam: Nobody in New York listens to Tomahawk.
[0:49:15 – 0:49:17] Adam: If you do, God bless you.
[0:49:18 – 0:49:18] Erik: But that’s what?
[0:49:18 – 0:49:20] Erik: Okay, so for them, it’s one.
[0:49:20 – 0:49:21] Erik: Oh, no.
[0:49:22 – 0:49:23] Erik: I’m in Brooklyn.
[0:49:23 – 0:49:24] Erik: I can’t wake up that early.
[0:49:25 – 0:49:25] Adam: I’m in Brooklyn.
[0:49:25 – 0:49:26] Adam: I can’t get up that early.
[0:49:26 – 0:49:27] Adam: I was out clubbing.
[0:49:29 – 0:49:30] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that’s what people in the city do.
[0:49:30 – 0:49:30] Adam: All the clubs that are open.
[0:49:31 – 0:49:33] Adam: They go clubbing in a pandemic.
[0:49:33 – 0:49:44] Erik: So anyway, long story short, we are revealing the Selection Sunday teams that are going to be playing in this year’s hallowed tumble tourney.
[0:49:44 – 0:49:48] Adam: Yeah, a good book is rumored to be the number one seed overall.
[0:49:49 – 0:49:50] Adam: I know a lot of people are going to be upset.
[0:49:50 – 0:49:51] Erik: Horrible rumor.
[0:49:52 – 0:49:55] Erik: I’m going to have to question your sources on that one.
[0:49:55 – 0:49:57] Adam: Well, it was Adam Schefter on Twitter.
[0:49:58 – 0:50:01] Adam: Yeah, and I’m pretty sure he knows what he’s talking about.
[0:50:03 – 0:50:19] Erik: Yeah, so if you’re just a podcast listener and you don’t have the opportunity to tune in to the live reveal, then just know that next Sunday the actual podcast will be a little bit late since we will be recording it on the Sunday that it typically comes out.
[0:50:19 – 0:50:23] Adam: I don’t know why you couldn’t listen live on YouTube because they have Starlink everywhere now.
[0:50:24 – 0:50:26] Erik: Well, I mean, it just might not be in the cards.
[0:50:26 – 0:50:28] Erik: Some people aren’t super into the video.
[0:50:28 – 0:50:29] Erik: They just like the ear experience.
[0:50:29 – 0:50:30] Erik: I get it.
[0:50:30 – 0:50:31] Erik: Yeah.
[0:50:31 – 0:50:33] Erik: But just a heads up, it might be a little late on Sunday.
[0:50:34 – 0:50:47] Erik: But then going forward, we will be providing in the show notes and in all of the places that we provide information on this show, links for you to vote on the Tumble Tournament, which is what it’s all about.
[0:50:47 – 0:50:48] Erik: If you’re just joining us.
[0:50:49 – 0:50:50] Erik: That’s the whole point.
[0:50:50 – 0:51:02] Erik: Yeah, essentially we set up a March Madness NCAA-style 64-team tournament with seeds that we have determined over the course of a long, arduous season.
[0:51:03 – 0:51:12] Erik: And then people vote on the matchups, and we’ll see if Northern Lights can repeat in their 2021 season.
[0:51:12 – 0:51:17] Erik: You’d think they’d only be getting stronger as the solar cycle is picking up pace.
[0:51:17 – 0:51:19] Adam: Yeah, that they won in the solar minimum…
[0:51:20 – 0:51:20] Adam: It’s scary.
[0:51:20 – 0:51:24] Adam: I think we already said this on the coverage last year.
[0:51:25 – 0:51:31] Adam: But that they’re already winning championships in the solar minimum is quite frightening for the rest of the league.
[0:51:31 – 0:51:32] Erik: Yeah, it is.
[0:51:33 – 0:51:39] Erik: I would be scared for the next seven years until the new minimum comes around.
[0:51:40 – 0:51:41] Erik: The minimum has been declared.
[0:51:41 – 0:51:42] Erik: We are beyond it.
[0:51:42 – 0:51:46] Adam: I’d be fine with it if the Northern Lights just won every year.
[0:51:46 – 0:51:47] Adam: It was just predetermined.
[0:51:48 – 0:51:49] Adam: Like, we didn’t have to worry about it.
[0:51:49 – 0:51:55] Adam: We could just have fun seeing who got to the Final Four to get crushed by the Northern Lights once again.
[0:51:55 – 0:51:56] Erik: The Vizlies.
[0:51:57 – 0:51:57] Erik: The Vindlies.
[0:51:58 – 0:52:00] Erik: John Gooden and UCLA.
[0:52:00 – 0:52:01] Erik: Ten years straight.
[0:52:02 – 0:52:02] SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
[0:52:03 – 0:52:04] Erik: I think that’s his name.
[0:52:04 – 0:52:04] Erik: That’s the team, right?
[0:52:05 – 0:52:05] SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
[0:52:05 – 0:52:08] Adam: Oh, he’s the Ziga Dals of NCAA.
[0:52:09 – 0:52:10] Erik: I know sports.
[0:52:10 – 0:52:11] Erik: Yeah.
[0:52:11 – 0:52:12] Adam: Do you want another shot of tequila?
[0:52:12 – 0:52:14] Adam: I do sports, and I don’t care who knows it.
[0:52:15 – 0:52:17] Adam: Yeah, I would like another shot of tequila.
[0:52:17 – 0:52:19] Erik: All right, well, if you guys want to take off, happy paddling.
[0:52:20 – 0:52:20] Erik: We’ll see you next week.
[0:52:20 – 0:52:23] Erik: No one’s taken off close to an hour yet.
[0:52:23 – 0:52:48] Erik: the selection sunday event we’ll post all the places that you can find us if you want to watch us live reveal the teams that are included and their seeds but um at this point we’re going to spend the rest of the episode talking about um nickelodeon shows from the 90s and yeah we’re juicing the brackets so you know take it easy folks what do you mean by juicing the brackets oh we’re gonna juice them and that we’re gonna
[0:52:51 – 0:52:54] Adam: You know, you got to have some favorites when you make a bracket.
[0:52:54 – 0:52:58] Adam: I’m sorry, as a bracket maker, you can’t just be impartial.
[0:52:58 – 0:53:05] Erik: No, I would say based on what the teams that were in it last year, this tournament is going to be the strongest in history for sure.
[0:53:05 – 0:53:06] Adam: It’s too hot, you know.
[0:53:07 – 0:53:07] Adam: It’s just too hot.
[0:53:07 – 0:53:09] Adam: We’re going to get together on Thursday probably.
[0:53:10 – 0:53:16] Adam: The selection committee is already begun, but we have a lot of data to go off of.
[0:53:17 – 0:53:18] Erik: Strength of schedule.
[0:53:18 – 0:53:20] Adam: Strength of schedule.
[0:53:20 – 0:53:22] Adam: You’re coursey.
[0:53:23 – 0:53:25] Adam: You’re five-on-five advantage.
[0:53:26 – 0:53:30] Adam: What’s it called when it’s like the VORP?
[0:53:30 – 0:53:31] Adam: You got to get the VORP.
[0:53:32 – 0:53:34] Adam: Is VORP apply in this situation?
[0:53:34 – 0:53:34] Adam: Yeah.
[0:53:34 – 0:53:36] Adam: Value over replacement?
[0:53:36 – 0:53:40] Adam: Do you think Owls or Lagomorphs will make the tournament as a sleeper this year?
[0:53:40 – 0:53:40] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:53:40 – 0:53:42] Adam: I mean, at this point, they might be.
[0:53:42 – 0:53:42] Erik: Who knows?
[0:53:43 – 0:53:44] Erik: The Critter Conference is deep.
[0:53:44 – 0:53:45] Erik: Critter Conference.
[0:53:45 – 0:53:49] Adam: The Critter Conference is the deepest of the conferences.
[0:53:49 – 0:53:51] Adam: I mean, you got Esox Lucius.
[0:53:55 – 0:53:57] Adam: Vulpes Americanus.
[0:53:59 – 0:53:59] Erik: Yeah.
[0:54:01 – 0:54:01] Erik: We’ll see.
[0:54:02 – 0:54:03] Erik: Stay tuned.
[0:54:03 – 0:54:07] Erik: We’ll see you on Sunday, the 28th at noon on our YouTube channel.
[0:54:08 – 0:54:09] Adam: Yeah.
[0:54:10 – 0:54:10] Erik: But…
[0:54:11 – 0:54:12] Erik: Let’s just have some fun.
[0:54:12 – 0:54:14] Erik: It’s been a while since we’ve just hung out.
[0:54:14 – 0:54:15] Erik: We’re going to keep the mics going.
[0:54:15 – 0:54:18] Erik: That’s kind of why we left the appetizer for the back.
[0:54:20 – 0:54:23] Adam: Yeah, it’s dessert, I believe they call it.
[0:54:24 – 0:54:24] Erik: This is dessert.
[0:54:25 – 0:54:28] Erik: We’ll see how many of these shows ring a bell.
[0:54:28 – 0:54:29] Adam: All right, yeah.
[0:54:29 – 0:54:31] Adam: You can, yeah.
[0:54:31 – 0:54:43] Erik: We’re talking underrated, overrated, best, worst, which is a pretty common concept, but I hear it the most on Puck Soup, which is a podcast about hockey.
[0:54:43 – 0:54:44] Adam: We both listen to Puck Soup.
[0:54:44 – 0:54:45] Erik: Got to give them credit about it.
[0:54:46 – 0:54:47] Erik: the concept of the show.
[0:54:48 – 0:54:54] Adam: Jerry, Terry, and Greg on Puck Soup from The Athletic and things.
[0:54:55 – 0:54:59] Erik: But they have a show about hockey, but they still end their shows on best, worst, underrated, overrated.
[0:54:59 – 0:55:01] Adam: I think it’s like two Canadian guys and then like a guy from Ottawa.
[0:55:02 – 0:55:03] Adam: I don’t know what’s going on.
[0:55:03 – 0:55:05] Erik: And Sean McIndoe, who’s from Ottawa.
[0:55:06 – 0:55:09] Erik: Greg Wyshynski, who’s in San Jose now.
[0:55:09 – 0:55:10] Adam: San Jose?
[0:55:10 – 0:55:12] Adam: I thought they were all Canadians.
[0:55:12 – 0:55:14] Erik: No, there’s only one Canadian, and that’s Sean McIndoe, a.k.a.
[0:55:14 – 0:55:16] Erik: Down Goes Brown.
[0:55:17 – 0:55:18] Erik: I can never remember the guy in Boston.
[0:55:18 – 0:55:20] Erik: He’s always bitter about everything.
[0:55:21 – 0:55:22] Erik: The Boston guy.
[0:55:23 – 0:55:24] SPEAKER_02: Boom.
[0:55:24 – 0:55:25] Erik: Yeah, from Boston.
[0:55:25 – 0:55:29] Erik: I like dinosaurs, and all music sucks, except like Modest Mouse or something.
[0:55:29 – 0:55:29] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:55:30 – 0:55:32] Adam: Well, he would like Modest Mouse.
[0:55:32 – 0:55:32] Adam: Yeah.
[0:55:35 – 0:55:36] Adam: Anyways, we’re stealing their game.
[0:55:37 – 0:55:38] Erik: Yeah, I don’t think it’s a super unique one.
[0:55:39 – 0:55:40] Erik: It’s a general concept.
[0:55:40 – 0:55:42] Erik: We did this with holidays once.
[0:55:42 – 0:55:45] Adam: Yeah, was I supposed to prepare something for this game?
[0:55:45 – 0:55:51] Erik: I just wrote it down so I wouldn’t forget and to keep myself from just listing all of the Nickelodeon shows I remember from a youth.
[0:55:52 – 0:55:57] Erik: I understand Nickelodeon has run for about as old as I am.
[0:55:58 – 0:56:08] Erik: So if you really want to hone in on it, I would say this is underrated, overrated, best, worst Nickelodeon shows from the 90s because I’m definitely not currently watching any Nickelodeon shows.
[0:56:09 – 0:56:23] Adam: Yeah, for a little bit of background, when I had Nickelodeon, I had a box on our TV in which you’d push A or B, and A would be the child-friendly shows, and then B would be all the shows on cable.
[0:56:23 – 0:56:24] Erik: Whoa.
[0:56:24 – 0:56:26] Erik: That was an option that you were still given?
[0:56:26 – 0:56:28] Adam: I wasn’t supposed to know about the button.
[0:56:28 – 0:56:29] Erik: Oh, I see.
[0:56:29 – 0:56:30] Erik: You learned about the button.
[0:56:31 – 0:56:32] Adam: They’re on the back of the TV.
[0:56:32 – 0:56:34] Adam: Oh, okay.
[0:56:34 – 0:56:45] Adam: And so it was like, okay, you either get like, you know, five channels on A, including Nickelodeon, which you could watch Rugrats, which is awesome.
[0:56:46 – 0:56:50] Adam: And then if you hit B, it was like, oh, you know, it wasn’t like crazy, you know.
[0:56:51 – 0:56:53] Adam: I mean, yeah, you got Cinemax.
[0:56:54 – 0:56:58] Erik: Depending on when you turn Cinemax on back in the 90s, you could see some butts.
[0:56:58 – 0:56:59] Adam: Holy moly.
[0:56:59 – 0:57:01] Adam: You might see some dusty…
[0:57:02 – 0:57:03] Erik: Dusty goochies?
[0:57:03 – 0:57:04] Erik: I see some goochies.
[0:57:06 – 0:57:08] Adam: Yeah, that’s funny as hell.
[0:57:08 – 0:57:13] Adam: I was just thinking about the movie The Cable Guy with Jim Carrey.
[0:57:14 – 0:57:15] Erik: That’s an underrated movie.
[0:57:15 – 0:57:18] Adam: Yeah, and Matthew McConaughey.
[0:57:18 – 0:57:19] Adam: I think it’s McConaughey.
[0:57:20 – 0:57:21] Erik: No, I don’t think he’s in that.
[0:57:21 – 0:57:22] Erik: It’s Ferris Bueller.
[0:57:23 – 0:57:24] Erik: That’s who is in The Cable Guy.
[0:57:24 – 0:57:25] Erik: Matthew Broderick?
[0:57:25 – 0:57:26] Adam: Yeah, Broderick.
[0:57:26 – 0:57:28] Adam: It’s Broderick in The Cable Guy.
[0:57:28 – 0:57:29] Adam: Just think about cable, though.
[0:57:29 – 0:57:31] Adam: How weird of a concept is that now?
[0:57:32 – 0:57:33] Erik: It is pretty crazy to think about a 20-year stretch.
[0:57:33 – 0:57:37] Adam: I have friends who are getting Skylink internet now up here.
[0:57:37 – 0:57:38] Adam: Skylink is available.
[0:57:39 – 0:57:41] Adam: If you want to move up here right now, now is the time.
[0:57:41 – 0:57:46] Adam: I’ve always said, I’m not going to live off the grid again until I can get internet off the grid.
[0:57:46 – 0:57:47] Adam: Now you can get it.
[0:57:47 – 0:57:49] Adam: If you have a generator and panels.
[0:57:49 – 0:57:51] Erik: Yeah, if you can find the land.
[0:57:52 – 0:57:54] Erik: Well, that’s the trick there.
[0:57:54 – 0:57:55] Erik: There’s definitely no houses.
[0:57:55 – 0:57:56] Erik: I’ll tell you that.
[0:57:57 – 0:57:59] Erik: But even land is getting hard to find now.
[0:57:59 – 0:57:59] Adam: Yeah.
[0:58:01 – 0:58:03] Adam: It’s more rare than Bitcoin, Eric.
[0:58:03 – 0:58:06] Erik: It’s a bit of a bubble, one would say, maybe.
[0:58:06 – 0:58:07] Erik: All right, where do you got to go?
[0:58:08 – 0:58:08] Adam: Do you want me to go first?
[0:58:09 – 0:58:09] Adam: Yeah.
[0:58:10 – 0:58:15] Erik: Underrated Nickelodeon show, let’s say from the 90s, at least roughly.
[0:58:16 – 0:58:17] Erik: Underrated, do you remember Ka-Blam?
[0:58:18 – 0:58:18] Erik: No.
[0:58:19 – 0:58:20] Erik: Oh, boy.
[0:58:20 – 0:58:21] Adam: That’s your underrated?
[0:58:21 – 0:58:21] Adam: Yes.
[0:58:22 – 0:58:23] Erik: That’s why it’s underrated.
[0:58:23 – 0:58:27] Erik: It was more of a sketch show.
[0:58:27 – 0:58:28] Adam: What was Ka-Blam?
[0:58:29 – 0:58:30] Adam: Is Keenan in it?
[0:58:30 – 0:58:30] Erik: No.
[0:58:32 – 0:58:33] Erik: What?
[0:58:34 – 0:58:35] Adam: I do not remember this one.
[0:58:35 – 0:58:37] Adam: You’re clearly way younger than I am.
[0:58:37 – 0:58:43] Adam: I was probably already in high school when Kablam came out.
[0:58:47 – 0:58:48] Adam: Swish?
[0:58:49 – 0:58:49] Adam: Swish.
[0:58:55 – 0:58:58] SPEAKER_02: where cartoons and comics collide.
[0:58:58 – 0:59:03] SPEAKER_02: Now to take you inside and turn the pages, here are your hosts, Henry and June.
[0:59:06 – 0:59:07] Erik: Okay, that’s pretty good.
[0:59:07 – 0:59:08] Erik: That’s pretty good.
[0:59:08 – 0:59:24] Erik: But so within Kablam!, there was a bunch of recurring skits, and my favorite one was Prometheus and Bob, which was basically an alien from the future who landed on Earth and had to interact with a caveman.
[0:59:24 – 0:59:26] Erik: So it was like both ends of the spectrum.
[0:59:28 – 0:59:29] Erik: Underrated.
[0:59:29 – 0:59:30] Erik: Go check out Kablam!.
[0:59:31 – 0:59:35] Adam: All right, for underrated, I will go with Hey Dude.
[0:59:36 – 0:59:36] Erik: Oh, wow.
[0:59:36 – 0:59:37] Erik: Remember Hey Dude?
[0:59:37 – 0:59:37] Adam: I do.
[0:59:37 – 0:59:38] Adam: It was like a ranch.
[0:59:38 – 0:59:39] Adam: Hey Dude.
[0:59:39 – 0:59:40] Adam: Hey Dude.
[0:59:41 – 0:59:42] Adam: Yeah, it was worth it just for that.
[0:59:42 – 0:59:43] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:59:43 – 0:59:47] Adam: It was like Saved by the Bell, but on a dude ranch.
[0:59:47 – 0:59:48] Adam: Yeah, we should play Hey Dude.
[0:59:48 – 0:59:50] Adam: Yeah, you have the Hey Dude.
[0:59:51 – 0:59:51] Adam: Oh, yes.
[0:59:51 – 0:59:52] Erik: Oh, my God, yes.
[0:59:53 – 0:59:54] Adam: Hey Dude was so funny.
[0:59:57 – 0:59:59] Adam: Is that what they do?
[0:59:59 – 1:00:03] Adam: This looks so worse than I remember it.
[1:00:04 – 1:00:05] Adam: Mr. Ernst.
[1:00:06 – 1:00:08] Adam: Oh, the horseshoe motif.
[1:00:08 – 1:00:09] Adam: This is sick.
[1:00:16 – 1:00:22] Adam: Oh, no.
[1:00:22 – 1:00:23] Adam: Ted.
[1:00:23 – 1:00:26] Adam: David Lancaster as Ted.
[1:00:26 – 1:00:27] Erik: Christine Taylor.
[1:00:27 – 1:00:28] Adam: Wow.
[1:00:28 – 1:00:31] Adam: She’s married to Ben Stiller now.
[1:00:31 – 1:00:32] Erik: She is.
[1:00:32 – 1:00:33] Erik: She was in Zoolander.
[1:00:34 – 1:00:34] SPEAKER_02: Yes.
[1:00:36 – 1:00:39] Erik: Watch out for those man-eating jackrabbits.
[1:00:39 – 1:00:40] Erik: Hey, dude.
[1:00:42 – 1:00:46] Erik: Underrated intro song for sure.
[1:00:46 – 1:00:47] Adam: Yeah, it was pretty good.
[1:00:47 – 1:00:49] Erik: Oh, my gosh.
[1:00:49 – 1:00:52] Erik: That was pretty good.
[1:00:52 – 1:00:53] Erik: Hey, dude.
[1:00:53 – 1:00:55] Adam: Yippee-ki-yay.
[1:00:55 – 1:00:56] Adam: Holy moly.
[1:00:57 – 1:00:57] Adam: That was pretty good.
[1:00:57 – 1:00:59] Adam: Yeah, I forgot about it.
[1:00:59 – 1:01:00] Adam: I guess that was underrated, but.
[1:01:01 – 1:01:02] Erik: I forgot about that one.
[1:01:02 – 1:01:07] Erik: Man, I used to watch that, and I think I was too young to really fully grasp it.
[1:01:07 – 1:01:10] Erik: I remember being kind of bored by it because I was like.
[1:01:10 – 1:01:11] Adam: What was the one over there at camp?
[1:01:12 – 1:01:18] Adam: salute your shirt your shirts all right hold on hang on to that one that one’s pretty good unless you’re using it
[1:01:19 – 1:01:22] Adam: No, I… Can I just go ahead?
[1:01:22 – 1:01:23] Adam: Can I go again?
[1:01:23 – 1:01:24] Erik: What’s next?
[1:01:24 – 1:01:24] Erik: Go again?
[1:01:25 – 1:01:25] Erik: Underrated?
[1:01:26 – 1:01:26] Erik: Regular rated?
[1:01:27 – 1:01:28] Erik: Regular rated?
[1:01:28 – 1:01:28] Erik: Yeah.
[1:01:28 – 1:01:29] Erik: Salute Your Shorts.
[1:01:30 – 1:01:31] Adam: Okay, Salute Your Shorts is…
[1:01:31 – 1:01:32] Adam: Salute Your Shorts is awesome.
[1:01:32 – 1:01:33] Erik: Camp Onowana.
[1:01:33 – 1:01:34] Erik: Yeah.
[1:01:34 – 1:01:35] Adam: What a great show.
[1:01:35 – 1:01:36] Erik: You remember that one?
[1:01:36 – 1:01:38] Adam: I think these two were on back to back.
[1:01:38 – 1:01:39] Adam: Oh yeah, for sure.
[1:01:40 – 1:01:42] Adam: When I was like getting off of school in third grade.
[1:01:42 – 1:01:42] Erik: Yeah.
[1:01:43 – 1:01:46] Erik: Camp Onowana, we hold you in our hearts.
[1:01:48 – 1:01:52] Erik: Yeah, that one didn’t make my list, but I do remember the Donkey Lips and Zeke the Plumber.
[1:01:52 – 1:01:55] Erik: Remember Zeke the Plumber, like the bad guy?
[1:01:55 – 1:01:56] Erik: No, I do not.
[1:01:56 – 1:01:56] Adam: Oh, my God.
[1:01:58 – 1:02:00] Adam: What about… Wow.
[1:02:00 – 1:02:02] Adam: Not like Doug, but what about like Rugrats?
[1:02:02 – 1:02:04] Adam: That wasn’t Nickelodeon, was it?
[1:02:04 – 1:02:04] Adam: It was.
[1:02:04 – 1:02:05] Adam: Rugrats?
[1:02:05 – 1:02:06] Adam: Yeah.
[1:02:06 – 1:02:07] Adam: I loved Rugrats.
[1:02:07 – 1:02:08] Erik: Rugrats was good.
[1:02:08 – 1:02:11] Erik: It had adult overtones that you could get.
[1:02:11 – 1:02:15] Erik: It was clearly like toddlers and babies, but there was like…
[1:02:16 – 1:02:45] Erik: humor in it it wasn’t a baby show um i’m we can’t just start listing nickelodeon shows no i mean we can what’s the next uh overrated overrated and mine my overrated is legends of the hidden temple which i feel like shows up on like nostalgic websites or um like oh remember nickelodeon legends of the hidden temple that show sucked that nobody ever got through the temple
[1:02:46 – 1:02:47] Erik: What was the, yeah.
[1:02:47 – 1:02:56] Erik: The temple was insanely, the monsters that would pop out in the rooms, like every room had like a bad Aztec guy that would jump out.
[1:02:56 – 1:02:56] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[1:02:57 – 1:03:02] Erik: And I always got so frustrated when those dumb kids couldn’t figure out how to put together the monkey statue.
[1:03:02 – 1:03:02] Erik: Yeah.
[1:03:04 – 1:03:07] Erik: And there was one random phase where there was like trivia.
[1:03:07 – 1:03:08] Erik: Yeah.
[1:03:08 – 1:03:12] Erik: It was like, this is all of the ideas coming out at once.
[1:03:13 – 1:03:16] Erik: Let’s see if it’s theme song holds up.
[1:03:22 – 1:03:22] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[1:03:22 – 1:03:24] Adam: It sure as heck does.
[1:03:25 – 1:03:26] Erik: That’s nice.
[1:03:28 – 1:03:31] Erik: It’s not nearly as good as Hey, Dude.
[1:03:32 – 1:03:32] Adam: No, it’s not.
[1:03:33 – 1:03:35] Adam: That’s why it’s overrated.
[1:03:35 – 1:03:36] Adam: Theme song sucked.
[1:03:38 – 1:03:39] Erik: Yeah, there’s no lyrics.
[1:03:39 – 1:03:40] Adam: I need lyrics.
[1:03:40 – 1:03:41] Adam: It’s so basic.
[1:03:45 – 1:03:50] Adam: What was the obstacle course show with Mark Summers?
[1:03:50 – 1:03:52] Adam: Oh, there was tons of them.
[1:03:52 – 1:03:53] Adam: Double Dare?
[1:03:54 – 1:03:55] Adam: What would you do?
[1:03:55 – 1:03:56] Adam: Yeah, no.
[1:03:57 – 1:03:58] Adam: Double Dare, 2000.
[1:03:58 – 1:03:58] Adam: Double Dare.
[1:03:59 – 1:04:01] Adam: Double Dare is overrated for me.
[1:04:01 – 1:04:02] Erik: Oh, you think so?
[1:04:02 – 1:04:04] Erik: It’s so stupid.
[1:04:04 – 1:04:04] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:04:04 – 1:04:06] Adam: I liked it when they had- I don’t like it.
[1:04:06 – 1:04:07] Adam: It’s the same thing.
[1:04:07 – 1:04:09] Adam: It’s just like, oh, no, maybe they’re going to make it.
[1:04:10 – 1:04:10] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:04:10 – 1:04:18] Erik: I like, I mean, yeah, to a certain extent it is like digging a bunch of gross stuff to find the red flag where it’s like you had to climb through a fake ear canal.
[1:04:18 – 1:04:21] Adam: I guess that was like the best show for like gack.
[1:04:21 – 1:04:22] Erik: Yeah, if you liked goos.
[1:04:22 – 1:04:23] Erik: And goop.
[1:04:23 – 1:04:26] Erik: If you liked goop, goops, gacks, slimes.
[1:04:27 – 1:04:28] Adam: So much slime.
[1:04:28 – 1:04:32] Adam: Anybody out there listening ever have like a whole fistful of gack?
[1:04:33 – 1:04:34] Erik: I remember Gak.
[1:04:34 – 1:04:34] Erik: Yeah.
[1:04:35 – 1:04:42] Adam: Gak was pretty famous for a while, right around when you had those Nerf guns.
[1:04:49 – 1:04:52] Adam: The only good part about this show is when they got the cool uniforms.
[1:04:53 – 1:04:55] Adam: Neon yellow versus neon pink.
[1:04:59 – 1:05:01] Erik: And also, like, I think I… Oh, no.
[1:05:03 – 1:05:04] Adam: Mark Summers, what are you doing?
[1:05:05 – 1:05:08] Adam: How do I remember his name was Mark Summers?
[1:05:08 – 1:05:09] Adam: That was freaky.
[1:05:10 – 1:05:13] Erik: I think it turned out that he was a bit of a germaphobe, which is really funny.
[1:05:13 – 1:05:17] Erik: He was on two shows that were completely based on, like, gunk.
[1:05:17 – 1:05:18] Adam: I don’t like that one.
[1:05:18 – 1:05:19] Adam: That one’s overrated for me.
[1:05:19 – 1:05:20] Erik: What would you do?
[1:05:20 – 1:05:21] Erik: Yeah, no.
[1:05:21 – 1:05:22] Erik: But, I mean, I don’t know.
[1:05:22 – 1:05:24] Erik: I think Double Dare is a classic game show.
[1:05:25 – 1:05:30] Erik: Digging through a pile of waffles with a bunch of fake cream…
[1:05:30 – 1:05:31] Adam: Sidebar.
[1:05:31 – 1:05:34] Adam: There was a show where it was like Nintendo games.
[1:05:34 – 1:05:36] Erik: How many sidebars are we down at this point?
[1:05:36 – 1:05:36] Adam: Sidebar.
[1:05:36 – 1:05:40] Adam: Nintendo game show where you’d have to like try and play Nintendo games.
[1:05:40 – 1:05:46] Adam: Then you got to run through a course in like Velcro Nintendo game cartridges to your body.
[1:05:47 – 1:05:49] Adam: This is a video game?
[1:05:49 – 1:05:49] Adam: Yeah.
[1:05:49 – 1:05:52] Adam: No, this was a game show that was on TV.
[1:05:53 – 1:05:53] Adam: No.
[1:05:53 – 1:05:55] Adam: And then you’d get to keep the games.
[1:05:57 – 1:05:59] Adam: And then they’d be like, well, write us a letter.
[1:06:00 – 1:06:06] Adam: So I wrote them like a handwritten letter, and I was like with a question, like how to beat a game or whatever.
[1:06:07 – 1:06:09] Erik: I do not remember that.
[1:06:09 – 1:06:12] Adam: Why is Bo Jackson so fast in Tecmo?
[1:06:13 – 1:06:17] Erik: Why is Bo Jackson so fast in Tecmo Bowl was your question?
[1:06:17 – 1:06:19] Adam: They didn’t answer my question.
[1:06:19 – 1:06:19] Adam: Go figure.
[1:06:20 – 1:06:21] Adam: It’s because it’s Bo Jackson.
[1:06:21 – 1:06:21] Adam: You idiot.
[1:06:22 – 1:06:22] Adam: He’s so fast.
[1:06:22 – 1:06:23] Erik: He’s just that fast.
[1:06:23 – 1:06:24] Adam: Bo Jackson.
[1:06:25 – 1:06:27] Erik: Oh, I have so many for best.
[1:06:28 – 1:06:28] Erik: My best.
[1:06:28 – 1:06:29] Erik: I couldn’t decide.
[1:06:31 – 1:06:32] Erik: You go first.
[1:06:32 – 1:06:32] Erik: You got to go first.
[1:06:32 – 1:06:39] Erik: Well, I’m going to say for sure the one that came to mind first was Rocco’s Modern Life.
[1:06:39 – 1:06:41] Erik: Yeah.
[1:06:41 – 1:06:46] Erik: But Pete and Pete’s Adventures are also like near and dear to my heart.
[1:06:46 – 1:06:47] Erik: It was just so…
[1:06:50 – 1:06:52] Erik: against the grain of everything else.
[1:06:52 – 1:06:59] Erik: I remember the one episode where I don’t remember why, if it was because of, what was the superhero’s name?
[1:07:00 – 1:07:01] Erik: In Pete and Pete’s?
[1:07:01 – 1:07:02] Erik: Yeah.
[1:07:02 – 1:07:03] Erik: I have no idea.
[1:07:03 – 1:07:08] Erik: The guy that like in real life, if you were hanging out with a guy like that would be really creepy.
[1:07:08 – 1:07:08] Erik: Yeah.
[1:07:09 – 1:07:12] Erik: But he just kind of like hung out occasionally with like tweens.
[1:07:13 – 1:07:18] Erik: But there was the episode where they, for whatever reason, were trying to stay up for as long as possible.
[1:07:18 – 1:07:21] Erik: And their trick was to look at the sun because it made you sneeze.
[1:07:22 – 1:07:23] Erik: And then they all got screwed over.
[1:07:23 – 1:07:24] Adam: That makes you stay up longer?
[1:07:24 – 1:07:26] Adam: I think sneezing makes you go to bed.
[1:07:26 – 1:07:28] Adam: Well, sneezing gives you that like…
[1:07:28 – 1:07:31] Adam: It’s like a little bit of… Did you ever have that thing where you try to stay up the whole night?
[1:07:31 – 1:07:33] Adam: It was like… Oh, I did that.
[1:07:33 – 1:07:34] Erik: Yeah, in high school.
[1:07:34 – 1:07:38] Erik: I think in ninth grade, I stayed up for four days just to see how long I could stay up.
[1:07:38 – 1:07:44] Adam: Yeah, there was a thing when I was little and your parents would just drop you off at the Y.
[1:07:44 – 1:07:47] Adam: And they just let you stay up the whole night.
[1:07:48 – 1:07:51] Erik: Yeah, that was usually like… We were playing tennis at like four in the morning.
[1:07:52 – 1:07:55] Adam: And then you get picked up and you just sleep for a day straight.
[1:07:55 – 1:07:56] Adam: It was ridiculous.
[1:07:56 – 1:07:58] Adam: What kind of crazy scenario was that?
[1:07:59 – 1:08:03] Adam: I think that was… Is this like a YMCA deal?
[1:08:03 – 1:08:15] Erik: I think a lot of that was usually based on, at least for me, one of them was like a weird church camp where it was like, yeah, you just go hang out in the gym and pool for a whole night.
[1:08:16 – 1:08:26] Erik: But then another one was also the night after we graduated where they were like, funnel them all into a place so they don’t all die in fiery drunken wrecks.
[1:08:26 – 1:08:27] Adam: This was younger and then…
[1:08:30 – 1:08:36] Adam: I’m pretty sure I got to make a kiss happen on one of these.
[1:08:36 – 1:08:36] Adam: Oh, my.
[1:08:36 – 1:08:39] Adam: Middle of the night, playing tennis at 4 in the morning.
[1:08:40 – 1:08:40] Adam: You want a kiss?
[1:08:42 – 1:08:45] Adam: No, I think it was like I got dared to kiss somebody.
[1:08:45 – 1:08:47] Adam: That was the deal.
[1:08:47 – 1:08:48] Erik: Dared to kiss.
[1:08:48 – 1:08:52] Adam: That’s what happens on all-night sleepovers.
[1:08:52 – 1:08:56] SPEAKER_02: 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
[1:08:59 – 1:09:02] Erik: Oh, and the music from Pete and Pete was so good.
[1:09:04 – 1:09:07] SPEAKER_02: It was arty.
[1:09:08 – 1:09:13] SPEAKER_02: The strongest man in the world.
[1:09:32 – 1:09:33] Adam: The hell?
[1:09:33 – 1:09:36] Adam: This looks like the Canadian show about those drug dealers.
[1:09:45 – 1:09:58] SPEAKER_02: You know what I’ve come for, grand puppy!
[1:09:58 – 1:10:01] SPEAKER_02: We’re offering free thermally heated pre-moistened towelettes.
[1:10:02 – 1:10:25] Erik: care of wellsville’s own superhero arty yeah so they had a local superhero arty the strongest man in the world i loved pete and pete i also loved rocco’s modern life um and i also just have to give a shout out because it was one of the last shows on nickelodeon that i ever watched was the angry beavers wow and i wish i had seen that one i had not
[1:10:25 – 1:10:26] Erik: Norman Daggett.
[1:10:26 – 1:10:27] Erik: They were fun.
[1:10:28 – 1:10:35] Adam: The only one you have not shouted out that deserves a shout out is Guts, which is my top Nickelodeon show of all time.
[1:10:36 – 1:10:37] Erik: Do you have it?
[1:10:37 – 1:10:38] Adam: Do you have it?
[1:10:38 – 1:10:39] Adam: Michael Malley?
[1:10:41 – 1:10:42] Adam: He’s a racer on the track.
[1:10:43 – 1:10:47] Erik: I had a crush on… Do you have a crush on Mo growing up?
[1:10:48 – 1:10:51] Adam: Yeah, Mo is almost hotter than Carmen Sandiego.
[1:10:52 – 1:10:54] Erik: Carmen Sandiego is a cartoon.
[1:10:54 – 1:10:55] Erik: Well, they’re both hot.
[1:10:55 – 1:10:55] Adam: Yeah.
[1:10:56 – 1:10:59] Adam: And yeah, absolutely.
[1:10:59 – 1:10:59] Adam: I kissed Mo.
[1:11:01 – 1:11:02] Erik: You never kissed Mo.
[1:11:02 – 1:11:03] Erik: Don’t say that.
[1:11:03 – 1:11:04] Adam: I met her at the YMCA.
[1:11:05 – 1:11:08] Adam: I think Global Guts, that’s a tough one to…
[1:11:08 – 1:11:10] Adam: Guts is sweet, you know.
[1:11:10 – 1:11:19] Adam: It was like a lot of luck, a lot of weird luck, and a lot of sporting events going on.
[1:11:19 – 1:11:23] Adam: But the aggro crag at the end was the best.
[1:11:23 – 1:11:25] Erik: You get a piece of it if you climb it fast.
[1:11:25 – 1:11:28] Adam: I loved how they would tumble these foam blocks down at you.
[1:11:28 – 1:11:29] Adam: So much steam.
[1:11:30 – 1:11:30] Adam: So much steam.
[1:11:31 – 1:11:31] Erik: So much glitter.
[1:11:31 – 1:11:32] Adam: Ridiculous amounts of glitter.
[1:11:33 – 1:11:34] Adam: Yeah.
[1:11:35 – 1:11:38] Adam: Anybody who’s listening to the show knows I love glitter and steam.
[1:11:42 – 1:11:43] Erik: Oh, 90s.
[1:11:46 – 1:11:47] Erik: What a hype man.
[1:11:47 – 1:11:51] SPEAKER_02: Nickelodeon Studios!
[1:11:55 – 1:11:57] SPEAKER_02: Motherfucking gods!
[1:11:57 – 1:11:59] Adam: I love all the parents from Jersey.
[1:11:59 – 1:12:01] Adam: Gotta shoot those hoops, baby.
[1:12:04 – 1:12:06] Erik: He’s flexing.
[1:12:06 – 1:12:08] Erik: He’s like loosening it up.
[1:12:09 – 1:12:10] Erik: Underdeveloped teens.
[1:12:16 – 1:12:18] Adam: Can you imagine getting on guts and then losing?
[1:12:21 – 1:12:21] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[1:12:21 – 1:12:22] Erik: I mean, of course.
[1:12:22 – 1:12:24] Erik: You’re going up against world-class athletes here.
[1:12:24 – 1:12:29] Erik: The Jackal?
[1:12:29 – 1:12:30] Erik: That’s not her nickname.
[1:12:30 – 1:12:33] Erik: There’s no way nobody’s calling her The Jackal.
[1:12:35 – 1:12:36] Erik: Mike O’Malley.
[1:12:36 – 1:12:38] Erik: Sorry, I think I said Marco.
[1:12:38 – 1:12:41] Rando Sports Guy: The action sports show where kids live out their greatest sports fantasies.
[1:12:42 – 1:12:47] Rando Sports Guy: Today’s players will be battling their way through four.
[1:12:48 – 1:12:48] Erik: Oh, my God.
[1:12:49 – 1:12:51] Adam: Can we just fast forward to the agro-crag?
[1:12:52 – 1:12:52] Adam: Agro-crat?
[1:12:53 – 1:12:54] Erik: No, we don’t need any agro-crag.
[1:12:54 – 1:12:55] Erik: Oh, my God.
[1:12:55 – 1:12:55] Erik: We can watch that after.
[1:12:55 – 1:12:58] Adam: The agro-crag is so amazing.
[1:12:58 – 1:12:59] Adam: Everybody knows the agro-crag.
[1:12:59 – 1:13:07] Adam: That’s the crag of all the agros for me when it comes to Nickelodeon.
[1:13:07 – 1:13:17] Adam: I just remember I wasn’t allowed to have Nintendo or Nickelodeon, and then we finally got Nickelodeon right when this was on and Hey, Dude.
[1:13:18 – 1:13:19] Erik: Hey, dude.
[1:13:19 – 1:13:20] Adam: Never missed a day.
[1:13:20 – 1:13:21] Adam: Never missed a day.
[1:13:22 – 1:13:22] Erik: The crag.
[1:13:22 – 1:13:25] Erik: We’ll have a crag ranker episode at some point.
[1:13:25 – 1:13:26] Erik: Egg roll.
[1:13:27 – 1:13:27] Adam: For sure.
[1:13:27 – 1:13:28] Adam: We got to.
[1:13:30 – 1:13:32] Erik: You remember Rocco’s Modern Life, though, right?
[1:13:32 – 1:13:32] Adam: I loved it.
[1:13:32 – 1:13:33] Adam: Yeah.
[1:13:33 – 1:13:36] Adam: That one didn’t make my list, but I do love it.
[1:13:36 – 1:13:37] Erik: I do remember it.
[1:13:37 – 1:13:38] Erik: Do you have a.
[1:13:39 – 1:13:40] Erik: That’s your best then, right?
[1:13:41 – 1:13:41] Adam: That’s it.
[1:13:41 – 1:13:42] Adam: Yeah.
[1:13:42 – 1:13:43] Adam: That’s the number one.
[1:13:43 – 1:13:43] Adam: Guts.
[1:13:44 – 1:13:45] Erik: How about your worst?
[1:13:46 – 1:13:46] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:13:47 – 1:13:47] Adam: Was there a worst?
[1:13:48 – 1:13:54] Adam: The worst was when button B was pushed and then you couldn’t get Nickelodeon.
[1:13:55 – 1:13:55] Adam: Yeah.
[1:13:56 – 1:13:59] Adam: But you got like sci-fi channel.
[1:13:59 – 1:14:01] SPEAKER_02: It was like, I don’t want to watch this.
[1:14:02 – 1:14:03] Adam: This is scary.
[1:14:04 – 1:14:05] Erik: Is there another dimension?
[1:14:05 – 1:14:07] Erik: I don’t want to learn about these dimensions.
[1:14:08 – 1:14:09] Erik: I don’t want to learn about these parts.
[1:14:10 – 1:14:10] Erik: Cloacas.
[1:14:12 – 1:14:15] Erik: I think my worst, which is it’s going to hurt my…
[1:14:17 – 1:14:20] Erik: my inner child to say it, but it wasn’t good.
[1:14:21 – 1:14:27] Erik: And I think it’s, it could have very easily gone into overrated and it is also overrated.
[1:14:27 – 1:14:27] Erik: And that’s Doug.
[1:14:29 – 1:14:30] Erik: You don’t like Doug.
[1:14:30 – 1:14:35] Erik: It’s a, it’s a cartoon about a kid, the main character.
[1:14:36 – 1:14:41] Erik: I get the whole captain underpants thing or whatever, where he flips his belt around and puts the quail man suit on and,
[1:14:43 – 1:14:46] Erik: That doesn’t interest me at all because it doesn’t do it often enough.
[1:14:46 – 1:14:53] Erik: It’s basically a beige-ass white kid wearing khakis, a white shirt, and a green vest.
[1:14:54 – 1:14:56] Erik: I want to live in the world of Porkchop.
[1:14:56 – 1:15:02] Erik: I want to live in his igloo with a satellite dish on it doghouse.
[1:15:02 – 1:15:04] Erik: I don’t care about Patty Mayonnaise.
[1:15:05 – 1:15:08] Erik: Is that the point that that’s her name because she’s so plain?
[1:15:08 – 1:15:08] Erik: No.
[1:15:11 – 1:15:13] Erik: I also don’t understand why his friend is green.
[1:15:15 – 1:15:18] Erik: And nematodes don’t make sense to me.
[1:15:18 – 1:15:20] Erik: It’s just generally a boring show.
[1:15:20 – 1:15:27] Erik: I think it’s the worst Nickelodeon show, although I’m sure there are 20 other worse shows on Nickelodeon.
[1:15:27 – 1:15:29] Erik: That’s just the one that I remember always being like,
[1:15:31 – 1:15:56] Adam: ready to be done with as soon as it came on i want to blow your mind real quick so doug you do you ever watch bob bob’s burgers yes mr friend from bob’s burgers is his first name is doug is that doug in the future yes no oh yeah think about it it definitely is no oh yeah does doug did doug have a theme song
[1:15:58 – 1:15:59] Adam: Doug, Doug, Doug, Doug, do you have it?
[1:16:00 – 1:16:00] Adam: Doug.
[1:16:00 – 1:16:01] Erik: Doug, Doug, Doug, do you have it?
[1:16:01 – 1:16:02] Adam: I don’t think he did.
[1:16:02 – 1:16:03] Adam: Actually, I think it was just like…
[1:16:03 – 1:16:04] Erik: I think that he did.
[1:16:05 – 1:16:05] Erik: Doug.
[1:16:06 – 1:16:07] Erik: I’m Doug.
[1:16:07 – 1:16:14] Erik: Like, so… Sick.
[1:16:19 – 1:16:20] Erik: This is so white.
[1:16:34 – 1:16:35] Erik: Oh, Roger Klotz.
[1:16:35 – 1:16:36] Erik: What was the name of his cat?
[1:16:42 – 1:16:43] Erik: There’s Skeeter.
[1:16:43 – 1:16:44] Erik: Why is he green?
[1:16:53 – 1:16:54] Erik: Jim Jenkins.
[1:16:54 – 1:16:55] Erik: Nice job.
[1:16:55 – 1:16:56] Erik: Way to go, Jim.
[1:16:56 – 1:16:58] Erik: That actually was kind of a fun intro.
[1:16:58 – 1:16:59] Adam: That was pretty good.
[1:17:00 – 1:17:00] Adam: Innovative.
[1:17:01 – 1:17:01] Adam: Innovative.
[1:17:01 – 1:17:11] Erik: I like the usage of the single line to form a lasso and a hole and the line between good and bad.
[1:17:12 – 1:17:12] Erik: It makes you think.
[1:17:15 – 1:17:15] Erik: All right.
[1:17:15 – 1:17:18] Erik: Well, did you say you’re worse yet?
[1:17:21 – 1:17:22] Adam: No, I don’t.
[1:17:22 – 1:17:23] Adam: You don’t have a worst.
[1:17:23 – 1:17:25] Adam: I don’t think I did, but I don’t think I have one.
[1:17:25 – 1:17:25] Adam: Right.
[1:17:26 – 1:17:28] Adam: And I don’t want to throw Nickelodeon out of the bus.
[1:17:28 – 1:17:30] Erik: Remember Wild and Crazy Kids?
[1:17:30 – 1:17:31] Adam: Oh, my God.
[1:17:31 – 1:17:32] SPEAKER_02: Wild and Crazy Kids.
[1:17:32 – 1:17:33] Erik: Wild and Crazy.
[1:17:34 – 1:17:41] Erik: Half the time it just involved blowing up sand castles and running like RC racers or TPing a cabin in the woods.
[1:17:41 – 1:17:42] Erik: Wow.
[1:17:42 – 1:17:44] Erik: It was all the dumbest stuff.
[1:17:44 – 1:17:44] Erik: There was teams.
[1:17:44 – 1:17:45] Erik: Yeah.
[1:17:46 – 1:17:47] Adam: That was so good.
[1:17:48 – 1:17:49] Adam: Or what was that camp?
[1:17:49 – 1:17:50] Adam: What was that camp all about?
[1:17:50 – 1:17:51] Erik: Camp Onowana.
[1:17:51 – 1:17:52] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:17:53 – 1:17:54] Erik: You don’t want to listen to that.
[1:17:54 – 1:17:55] Erik: That theme song is cringy.
[1:17:55 – 1:17:56] Erik: I don’t want to see that.
[1:17:57 – 1:17:57] Erik: No.
[1:17:58 – 1:18:02] Erik: We should get going before we just start talking.
[1:18:02 – 1:18:04] Erik: It’s a Nickelodeon podcast.
[1:18:05 – 1:18:08] Erik: Remember Nickelodeon for about eight years there in the late 80s, early 90s?
[1:18:09 – 1:18:14] Adam: It’s funny how they had coverage of the football games at the end of the season.
[1:18:14 – 1:18:15] Adam: Oh, yeah, I heard about that.
[1:18:15 – 1:18:16] Erik: It’s pretty good.
[1:18:16 – 1:18:19] Adam: We should slime more football players.
[1:18:19 – 1:18:20] Erik: That would be great.
[1:18:20 – 1:18:22] Erik: Introduce more slime into everyday life, especially sports.
[1:18:22 – 1:18:26] Adam: I love it if I was going down a portage and I just got slimed.
[1:18:27 – 1:18:28] Adam: So maybe make that happen.
[1:18:29 – 1:18:30] Adam: Mark Summers.
[1:18:30 – 1:18:35] Erik: Mark Summers, I think he’s sealed in a hermetically sealed.
[1:18:35 – 1:18:39] Adam: He’s not allowed to move slime around anymore.
[1:18:39 – 1:18:39] Erik: No.
[1:18:41 – 1:18:52] Erik: He’s purchased in on the human version of a vacuum food saver device and is currently in a freezer somewhere because of COVID.
[1:18:52 – 1:18:53] Erik: Just his head.
[1:18:53 – 1:18:53] Adam: Just his head.
[1:18:53 – 1:18:56] Adam: The rest of his body is in the ocean.
[1:18:57 – 1:18:58] Erik: Yeah.
[1:18:59 – 1:19:00] Erik: Yeah, let’s go.
[1:19:00 – 1:19:00] Erik: You want to go?
[1:19:01 – 1:19:02] Erik: Let’s go.
[1:19:04 – 1:19:05] Adam: We’re going.
[1:19:05 – 1:19:06] Adam: We’re going.
[1:19:06 – 1:19:08] Adam: Time for tumble homing.
[1:19:08 – 1:19:09] Adam: Going.
[1:19:09 – 1:19:09] Adam: We’re going.
[1:19:10 – 1:19:11] Adam: Tumble tumble homing.
[1:19:14 – 1:19:15] Adam: Bye.
[1:19:16 – 1:19:16] UNKNOWN: Yep.
[1:19:17 – 1:19:18] SPEAKER_02: That’s right.
[1:19:44 – 1:19:46] Erik: Is this a song by the B-52s?
[1:19:47 – 1:19:49] Erik: Racket was bought on life.
[1:19:49 – 1:19:50] Adam: Absolutely, it’s the B-52s.
[1:19:58 – 1:19:59] Adam: Thanks for the lineys.
[1:20:00 – 1:20:00] Adam: Good night.
[1:20:14 – 1:20:18] SPEAKER_02: singing till the break of day hey
